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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby bigcarl » Thu 09 Nov 2017 11:23am

How is this going to stop the concussions? They are the only real issue that is going to stop him becoming a good player. Was he wearing a helmet?
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby BringBackMadDog » Thu 09 Nov 2017 11:26am

WellardSaint wrote:Lost weight.
Got leaner.
In tip-top condition.
He is fit enough to play a 5-setter against Rafael Nadal
in a NON-CONTACT sport.

Fitness is not enough.
He had NO contact at all during training since about July.

He's not gonna make it. Sadly

What complete and utter crap
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby Linton Lodger » Thu 09 Nov 2017 11:33am

SMS wrote:We are about to get our number 1 pick
It may not be this year but 2019 with paddy, logan, goddard, long, battle, freeman and progression of the other youngsters we wont know ourselves. 50-100 games in all these young guns and they are guns. Much maligned and I dont know why?? Ffs people riding off goddard WTF kid has not had one chance to do anything yet. 2020+ is when we need him.

Long - he played VFL then NT league before pre season what did we expect a 19yo to do?? Hes one to watch
Freeman - 37 possies in VFL why wont he be ready in 2018?
Paddy - fit and firing
Goddard - back from injury
Logan - broken leg before that had elite numbers in a few areas
Weller - injured all 2017 still played tagging role. Is fit and ready

Perfect strom is brewing. 2020s will see MULTIPLE flags for us back at moorabbin. 60k membership after 2020 flag as we roll on

The chemistry synergy this team will have and very early is beyond what afl has ever seen. Not one player has left in the last 2 years or is it 3 years??

Add xfactor in this years draft with stephenson/bonar and sloane/gaff as FAs we seriously got something amazing unstoppable


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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby samoht » Thu 09 Nov 2017 12:06pm

Helmets - even the best ones - don't prevent concussions. Helmets don't magically negate the G-forces/the head-jerking that lead to concussions.
Also, how do helmets help if you get hit across the jaw/cheek (other than protect the facial bones)? - you can get concussed this way, too.

There are people that are prone to concussions, that have "glass jaws" - perhaps, players need their wits about them (be spacially aware/not have tunnel vision) and/or learn how to "roll with the punches"/take evasive actions.
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby kosifantutti » Thu 09 Nov 2017 12:11pm

WellardSaint wrote:Lost weight.
Got leaner.
In tip-top condition.
He is fit enough to play a 5-setter against Rafael Nadal
in a NON-CONTACT sport.

Fitness is not enough.
He had NO contact at all during training since about July.

He's not gonna make it. Sadly

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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby Darth Vader » Thu 09 Nov 2017 3:04pm

samoht wrote:Helmets - even the best ones - don't prevent concussions. Helmets don't magically negate the G-forces/the head-jerking that lead to concussions.
Also, how do helmets help if you get hit across the jaw/cheek (other than protect the facial bones)? - you can get concussed this way, too.

There are people that are prone to concussions, that have "glass jaws" - perhaps, players need their wits about them (be spacially aware/not have tunnel vision) and/or learn how to "roll with the punches"/take evasive actions.

Ask Nathan Burke if he reckons the helmet helped him.
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby St_Cave » Thu 09 Nov 2017 3:19pm

This is an interesting concept being trialled in the US. It is basically a collar that tries to replicate the conditions inside the head of a woodpecker. I know of one high profile player in the NFL trialling it by the name of Luke Kuechly. He has sustained about 4 concussions in the past few years and is trialling this for the first time this season.

"Invented by David Smith and Greg Myer of the Cincinnati Children's Hospital, the "Q Collar" creates a kind of bubble wrap around the brain. It was the subject of two new studies published last week in Frontiers in Neurology and the British Journal of Sports Medicine, demonstrating significant decreases in signs of brain trauma in high school football and hockey players."

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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby MC Gusto » Thu 09 Nov 2017 3:26pm

what was Paddy's time and where did he place?
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby WellardSaint » Thu 09 Nov 2017 4:13pm

Darth Vader wrote:
samoht wrote:Helmets - even the best ones - don't prevent concussions. Helmets don't magically negate the G-forces/the head-jerking that lead to concussions.
Also, how do helmets help if you get hit across the jaw/cheek (other than protect the facial bones)? - you can get concussed this way, too.

There are people that are prone to concussions, that have "glass jaws" - perhaps, players need their wits about them (be spacially aware/not have tunnel vision) and/or learn how to "roll with the punches"/take evasive actions.

Ask Nathan Burke if he reckons the helmet helped him.


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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby spert » Thu 09 Nov 2017 4:25pm

Wear a helmet Paddy!
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby samoht » Thu 09 Nov 2017 4:38pm

I read somewhere (I'm not sure how true it is) that having strong neck muscles can help. Strong neck muscles can hold the head somewhat in place, and prevent it from being rocked about as violently cf. having weak neck muscles - like the head-bobbing toys that you see in cars (imagine the same toy with stronger springs).

.... or having no neck like Gladstone Small, where your head is part of your body - with no intervening (and bothersome) neck in between - genetics might help?
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby WellardSaint » Thu 09 Nov 2017 4:57pm

samoht wrote:I read somewhere (I'm not sure how true it is) that having strong neck muscles can help. Strong neck muscles can hold the head somewhat in place, and prevent it from being rocked about as violently cf. having weak neck muscles - like the head-bobbing toys that you see in cars (imagine the same toy with stronger springs).

.... or having no neck like Gladstone Small, where your head is part of your body - with no intervening (and bothersome) neck in between - genetics might help?

SaintPav could comment here...
Like the bowler Small,
SaintPav is a chinless wonder,
but has cabbage instead of grey matter inside his
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby samoht » Thu 09 Nov 2017 5:08pm

Something that you can wear around your neck that would act as a "shock absorber" (in the form of a specially designed neck-collar, say) would in all likelihood work much better than a helmet to prevent concussions.
Helmets actually increase the inertia - it's not only your head that's being knocked around - the helmet means you have extra mass (and angular momentum?) that probably makes the concussion more severe. Your head (and brain - the organ that's being concussed) gets rocked about more violently with a helmet. It's all physics.

You want something that would prevent the head from loosely flailing around and jerking about, that would hold the head somewhat while absorbing a fair bit of the shock of the impact, by spreading some of the energy of the impact down to your shoulders - where the base of the collar would sit - i.e., with this special collar you're allowing the head to move around, but not as violently - by lending support to the neck muscles.

I formally claim the idea for it (the saintsational shock-absorbing neck collar) and the international patent, of course. Any investors? .. Why not the St Kilda football club? -
we'll start work on the prototype, forthwith, and I think I know a perfect candidate to test it out on. :wink:

Edit: I just saw st cave's post above re: a collar that's being developed - but interestingly the cited article was talking about extra volume of blood being squeezed to the brain, thereby acting to reduce the amount of space that the brain has to move about inside the skull - I was thinking of a more substantial collar that would lend support to the neck muscles (to hold the head and spread the impact of the shock). I was looking at it from another angle. I didn't realise that the extra volume of blood could also help here - maybe combining the two concepts, with a larger collar, as I've suggested, might do the trick?
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby sunsaint » Thu 09 Nov 2017 6:28pm

MC Gusto wrote:what was Paddy's time and where did he place?

would kill for a full list and TIMES but cant find 'em....

St Kilda high performance manager Matt Hornsby said Freeman was among several young players at the club to impress during the time trial.

“It’s good to see that while ‘Gears’ still holds the title, he is being challenged by a couple of the younger boys as well,” Hornsby told the club’s website.

Hornsby said a large portion of the playing group set personal best times during the time trial.

“For all our draftees it was their first time trial and we were really impressed with how they performed as a group. But taking them out of the equation, we had 13 players perform PB’s so that’s a real positive for the group straight away,” he said.

ST KILDA 3KM TIME TRIAL RESULTS

1. Jarryn Geary

2. Daniel McKenzie

3. Ed Phillips

4. Nathan Freeman

5. Jack Newnes
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Postby sunsaint » Thu 09 Nov 2017 6:32pm

so putting it in perspective half the list improved ?
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby saintbob » Thu 09 Nov 2017 6:58pm

Great news!!!!

What I really want to know is, where did he get his cap??

I want one
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby diddley » Thu 09 Nov 2017 7:25pm

St Kilda high performance manager Matt Hornsby said Freeman was among several young players at the club to impress during the time trial.

“It’s good to see that while ‘Gears’ still holds the title,

ST KILDA 3KM TIME TRIAL RESULTS

1. Jarryn Geary

2. Daniel McKenzie

3. Ed Phillips

4. Nathan Freeman

5. Jack Newnes
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That top 5 list must be an old article. The time trial yesterday was only 1-4 year players. Geary wasn’t there.
This time it was

1. Ed Phillips
2. Dan McKenzie
3. Jack Sinclair
4. Blake Acres
5. Jack Steele

No mentions of times though. Had the same thought last year. Don’t think they want to reveal the times. It’s not like it’s the combine.
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby kosifantutti » Thu 09 Nov 2017 7:27pm

sunsaint wrote:
MC Gusto wrote:what was Paddy's time and where did he place?

would kill for a full list and TIMES but cant find 'em....

St Kilda high performance manager Matt Hornsby said Freeman was among several young players at the club to impress during the time trial.

“It’s good to see that while ‘Gears’ still holds the title, he is being challenged by a couple of the younger boys as well,” Hornsby told the club’s website.

Hornsby said a large portion of the playing group set personal best times during the time trial.

“For all our draftees it was their first time trial and we were really impressed with how they performed as a group. But taking them out of the equation, we had 13 players perform PB’s so that’s a real positive for the group straight away,” he said.

ST KILDA 3KM TIME TRIAL RESULTS

1. Jarryn Geary

2. Daniel McKenzie

3. Ed Phillips

4. Nathan Freeman

5. Jack Newnes

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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby parkeysainter » Thu 09 Nov 2017 7:35pm

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... zi4t0.html

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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby David-Lee » Thu 09 Nov 2017 7:39pm

I will not get excited until Paddy plays more than 5 games without concussion AND if he can string a season of games together with even average play he could be our guy for the future...so I dont think he will make it but I am 100% cheering him on to succeed!
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby saintbrat » Thu 09 Nov 2017 7:47pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/t ... bdd70df1e7

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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby saintbrat » Thu 09 Nov 2017 7:50pm

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... zi4t0.html

St Kilda's key forward Paddy McCartin wants to repay the faith the club has shown in him – since picking him at No.1 in the 2014 national draft – and extend his contract beyond 2018.

Having set a personal best in the time trial on the opening day of pre-season on Wednesday, he travelled to a training camp in Yea with the Saints full of hope his career will gather some momentum in 2018.
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby DJ Higgins » Thu 09 Nov 2017 8:55pm

SMS wrote:We are about to get our number 1 pick
It may not be this year but 2019 with paddy, logan, goddard, long, battle, freeman and progression of the other youngsters we wont know ourselves. 50-100 games in all these young guns and they are guns. Much maligned and I dont know why?? Ffs people riding off goddard WTF kid has not had one chance to do anything yet. 2020+ is when we need him.

Long - he played VFL then NT league before pre season what did we expect a 19yo to do?? Hes one to watch
Freeman - 37 possies in VFL why wont he be ready in 2018?
Paddy - fit and firing
Goddard - back from injury
Logan - broken leg before that had elite numbers in a few areas
Weller - injured all 2017 still played tagging role. Is fit and ready

Perfect strom is brewing. 2020s will see MULTIPLE flags for us back at moorabbin. 60k membership after 2020 flag as we roll on

The chemistry synergy this team will have and very early is beyond what afl has ever seen. Not one player has left in the last 2 years or is it 3 years??

Add xfactor in this years draft with stephenson/bonar and sloane/gaff as FAs we seriously got something amazing unstoppable


Wow that is very positive if not slightly over optimistic. You have raised some good points but realistically
Goddard is slow and hasn't shown a lot before getting injured, needs to find another gear this year
Long was cooked before the season started so this year he has a clean slate. Lets see what he can do
Freeman has to play this year or we drop him. 4 years and no games wont cut it. But he's vfl form has been great so looking forward to seeing him in the r,b&w
Logan cost us nothing so I am expecting very little which mean i can only be surprised
Weller if you are injured then don't play. Rest and get better. You become a weak link and take experience away from another player which is pretty much what happened this year

as for the draft picks I have to disagree with you, Stephenson is a terrible field kick so I think there are better and Bonar is an inside mid which we have plenty of. Need an outside mid who has great disposal skills and either a small forward or another outside mid
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Re: Paddy smashes his PB in 3km time trial

Postby Jacks Back » Thu 09 Nov 2017 9:44pm

SMS wrote:We are about to get our number 1 pick
It may not be this year but 2019 with paddy, logan, goddard, long, battle, freeman and progression of the other youngsters we wont know ourselves. 50-100 games in all these young guns and they are guns. Much maligned and I dont know why?? Ffs people riding off goddard WTF kid has not had one chance to do anything yet. 2020+ is when we need him.

Long - he played VFL then NT league before pre season what did we expect a 19yo to do?? Hes one to watch
Freeman - 37 possies in VFL why wont he be ready in 2018?
Paddy - fit and firing
Goddard - back from injury
Logan - broken leg before that had elite numbers in a few areas
Weller - injured all 2017 still played tagging role. Is fit and ready

Perfect strom is brewing. 2020s will see MULTIPLE flags for us back at moorabbin. 60k membership after 2020 flag as we roll on

The chemistry synergy this team will have and very early is beyond what afl has ever seen. Not one player has left in the last 2 years or is it 3 years??

Add xfactor in this years draft with stephenson/bonar and sloane/gaff as FAs we seriously got something amazing unstoppable

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