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Postby ace » Thu 12 Oct 2017 3:12pm

There is a rule surrounding future year draft picks - you can sell your first round pick OR one or more of your later picks (but they have to originate at your club) but not both.

Last year Hawthorn did not have the sufficient pick currency for the O'Meara trade.
The corrupt AFL allowed their own rules to be broken.
Hawthorn having sold their first round pick to St Kilda should not have given their 2017 second round pick (now pick 25) to Gold Coast.
The pick they had to give to Gold Coast was GWS 2017 second round (now pick 33).
But the AFL wanted the trade to go through and Gold Coast get a bad deal but as good a deal as possible.
They waved the deal through on the day.

I called this out on the day within minutes of the AFL posting the trade.
I did this on both the Herald Sun and The Age comments sections multiple times.
The AFL quietly admitted that it was illegal over a week later with little media coverage.

Today I call out the AFL again.
Melbourne can not trade both their 2018 first round pick and fourth round picks as part of the Jake Lever trade.
They may be receiving Adelaide's third round pick in return but it does NOT comply.
The AFL can't say as they did in the O'Meara trade "we only realised our error after it was too late".
They have over week to cancel this trade and ensure that the deal complies.

STOP BEING CORRUPT AFL
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby ace » Thu 12 Oct 2017 3:18pm

Jaxons are you listening.
You were silent when I called out the illegal trade last year here of Saintsational.
Will you and the St Kilda Football Club remain silent again this year ?
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby degruch » Thu 12 Oct 2017 4:08pm

Good work Ace, cheating scumbags. Only problem is, do you have to learn if you're corrupt? Suits them to break their own rules...I'm not sure franchises are in a position to point that out, especially when a minnow is objecting to big boys benefits.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby saynta » Thu 12 Oct 2017 4:29pm

ace wrote:Jaxons are you listening.
You were silent when I called out the illegal trade last year here of Saintsational.
Will you and the St Kilda Football Club remain silent again this year ?



I dont think that Jaxons has any connection with the St Kilda football club mate, but go your hardest.


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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby Drake Huggins » Thu 12 Oct 2017 4:56pm

When you make up your own rules, you can break them at your pleasure. After all, who are they accountable to?
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby saynta » Thu 12 Oct 2017 5:08pm

Drake Huggins wrote:When you make up your own rules, you can break them at your pleasure. After all, who are they accountable to?



No one actually. Or so it would seem.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby Drake Huggins » Thu 12 Oct 2017 5:16pm

Correct, saynta. Every other large and influential organisation faces governance from one sort of regulatory body or another, whether it be ASIC, IBAC, the Government Inspectorate, and industry-specific watchdogs. Who actually governs the AFL? The Minister of Sport? Who would step in and sanction them if they did something that wasn't strictly illegal, but was clearly not in the best interests of the game? I don't know. Can anyone give us a Pauline Hanson and, "Please explain!"
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby ausfatcat » Thu 12 Oct 2017 6:02pm

They changed the rules after the o merea trade

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 84e2e92888
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby desertsaint » Thu 12 Oct 2017 6:20pm

ausfatcat wrote:They changed the rules after the o merea trade

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 84e2e92888

why post a link to a paywall site? copy-paste a section please. no way would i pay news.ltd or fairfax a cent when we've got my tax dollar and some independents supplying better quality reporting.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby ausfatcat » Thu 12 Oct 2017 6:30pm

sorry didn't realise it was a paywall


AFL NEWS
Every AFL club can trade its future first-round pick with stricter rules to take effect in 2019
SAM LANDSBERGER, Herald Sun
April 16, 2017 8:00pm
Subscriber only
EVERY AFL club is free to trade its future first-round pick in this year’s exchange period.

The Herald Sun has clarified future-pick trading rules and the league has for the first time released its formal guideline document.

It had been widely believed that every club must use two first-round draft picks in every rolling four-year cycle.

But the rule addresses trading a future first-round selection only when a club has used fewer than two first-round picks in the past four drafts.

BLOCKBUSTER DEAL: AFL ADMITS TO JAEGER TRADE BLUNDER

Even then, clubs can apply to the AFL for an exemption.

And according to the October 2015 document, Determination for the trading of future draft selections, the first four-year block will not come into effect until the 2019 exchange period.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby ace » Sun 15 Oct 2017 4:33pm

Maybe I can't read but nowhere in this article does it say that rues have been changed to allow a club can trade its own future first round pick and other future round picks as well.
Even the article admitting to the O'Meara corruption.
CORRUPTION What else do you call it when it took over a week to admit after it was called out in media comments columns on the day.



Every AFL club can trade its future first-round pick with stricter rules to take effect in 2019
SAM LANDSBERGER, Herald Sun
April 16, 2017 8:00pm
Subscriber only
EVERY AFL club is free to trade its future first-round pick in this year’s exchange period.

The Herald Sun has clarified future-pick trading rules and the league has for the first time released its formal guideline document.

It had been widely believed that every club must use two first-round draft picks in every rolling four-year cycle.

But the rule addresses trading a future first-round selection only when a club has used fewer than two first-round picks in the past four drafts.

BLOCKBUSTER DEAL: AFL ADMITS TO JAEGER TRADE BLUNDER

Even then, clubs can apply to the AFL for an exemption.

And according to the October 2015 document, Determination for the trading of future draft selections, the first four-year block will not come into effect until the 2019 exchange period.

The delayed introduction of future trading rules was so as not to prejudice clubs’ existing long-term list strategies.

Exemptions will be determined based on the age of players brought in through trades and what draft picks the club has used.
The future-pick document also demands that club boards authorise the trading of a future first-round selection before the trade period.

Geelong does not have a first-round pick this year, after trading it last year for Carlton’s Zach Tuohy, and last used one in 2014, drafting Nakia Cockatoo at No.10.

But the Cats are allowed to go another two years without using one.

They would also have a strong case for further leeway, after recruiting Patrick Dangerfield and using an early second-round pick last year.
It was reported last October that the Cats had to acquire an additional first-round selection this year or next year to comply with AFL rules.

The Herald Sun this month made repeated attempts to confirm this with the AFL and, after discussions, believed that was the case.

But the Cats then contacted integrity officer Ken Wood, who confirmed the relaxed rules.

After requests from the Herald Sun last week, the AFL handed over the rules, which were signed off by legal counsel Andrew Dillon.
The document has never previously been made public.

Under what had been the prevailing understanding, the Cats would have had to trade in an extra first-round pick this year or next, after they traded their 2017 first-round pick for Tuohy last year.

Cats list manager Stephen Wells admitted last October he did not believe Geelong could offload a third consecutive first-round pick to land Tuohy.

“I must admit there was a perception we couldn’t do it here myself,” he said.

“But we did check with the AFL.”

The rules reveal the league is not opposed to clubs trading a string of early selections, as long as they act responsibly.

Hawthorn’s golden era was built on shrewd deals.

From 2009 to 2014, the Hawks used just one first-round pick — taking Isaac Smith in 2010 — as they traded for proven players.

Clubs are always free to trade draft picks in the current year.


AFL admits to making a mistake in the massive trade which sent Jaeger O’Meara to Hawthorn
SAM LANDSBERGER, Herald Sun
October 26, 2016 12:18am
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THE AFL has admitted to making a blunder in this year’s biggest trade — Jaeger O’Meara to Hawthorn.

Confusion surrounded the blockbuster deal until the AFL clarified on Tuesday that the Hawks had been allowed to part with their first two selections in next year’s draft.

AFL rules state that once a club trades its future first-round pick, it cannot trade any additional future picks.

The week before the O’Meara trade, Hawthorn sent its future first-round selection to St Kilda in a deal that also raised eyebrows.

But the league told the Herald Sun it had “interpreted” its own rule to mean the O’Meara deal was legal.

The AFL said Hawthorn was permitted to trade its future second-round selection, so long as it first acquired another club’s future second-rounder.

Moments before the O’Meara deal was lodged, Hawthorn secured Greater Western Sydney’s future second-round pick, courtesy of a trade with Carlton.

Under the league’s interpretation, that allowed Hawthorn to trade its own future second-rounder to the Suns as long as it held onto the Giants’.

The AFL’s interpretation allowed he Hawks to pull an ace when they appeared snookered on O’Meara entering the final day of trade period.

Compounding the mess, the official paperwork distributed by the AFL after Thursday’s deadline incorrectly stated that the Hawks had on-traded the Giants’ future second-rounder and kept their own.

That outcome would have fitted neatly with the wording of the AFL rule.

But the Suns and Hawks both believed that Hawthorn’s future second-rounder was part of the O’Meara trade — and the AFL confirmed that on Tuesday.

O’Meara was one of eight deals lodged in the frantic final 16 minutes of trade period, with several processed after the 2pm deadline.

The O’Meara bungle adds to what some clubs have already labelled the “dodgiest” trade period yet.

It began with Hawthorn publishing a statement declaring free agent Tyrone Vickery had accepted a three-year deal, only for that to be deleted and quickly replaced with a statement saying it was two years.

Sources close to Vickery told the Herald Sun before the deal was done he was expecting to stay at Waverley for at least three years.

The Hawks were routinely quizzed by the AFL and rivals wondered whether Vickery’s contract was structured to help Richmond land a better compensation pick.

Geelong recruiter Stephen Wells then admitted he was unaware the Cats could trade their future-round pick to secure Blue Zach Tuohy.

Geelong had already traded its first pick in 2015 and 2016 — to secure Patrick Dangerfield and Lachie Henderson — and AFL rules state clubs must use two first-round picks in every rolling four-year period.

Recruiters across the country believed that meant the Cats had to keep their first pick in 2017.

Instead, the AFL decided Geelong could punt its top 2017 pick, so long as it uses two in the next two years.

“I must admit, there was a perception here myself that a deal like this couldn’t be done, but we did check with the AFL,” Wells said.

The Herald Sun reported on Saturday that clubs were left “bewildered” by the guaranteed draft windfall for St Kilda in its pick swap with Hawthorn and were surprised at Carlton’s generosity in brokering the O’Meara deal.

The Blues gave Hawthorn the Giants’ future pick — which will fall between 19-36 — in exchange for picks 48, 66 and 70 on November 25.

Hawthorn will enter this year’s draft at pick 88 and next year’s draft at the Giants’ second pick, but was thrilled to land O’Meara, Vickery and Tom Mitchell.

THE AFL’S RULE

“Should a club trade its future first round selection, it may not trade any other future selection for that same draft.”

WHAT HAPPENED

— Hawthorn traded its future first-round selection to St Kilda on October 14

— AFL paperwork after trade period stated Hawthorn on-traded Greater Western Sydney’s future second-round selection to Gold Coast in O’Meara deal

— Hawthorn and Gold Coast informed supporters that the deal instead involved the Hawks’ future second-round selection

— AFL yesterday said its paperwork was wrong, and Hawks traded their own future second-round selection to Gold Coast, as the clubs stated

AFL’S EXPLANATION

“They traded in the GWS future round two selection first, which meant they had a selection in the round that they could trade out, and they elected to trade out their selection, and keep the GWS selection.

“The AFL has interpreted the rule as that they had to retain a round two and round three selection, after trading out round one, so they had to trade in a round two before they were allowed to trade out a round two.”
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby saintspremiers » Sun 15 Oct 2017 5:32pm

On Gilligan's Island anything goes.

He's just the same as Dimwitfuckwit.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby Drake Huggins » Sun 15 Oct 2017 5:47pm

And just like Gilligan's Island, there is no escape for the various players. Like it or lump it. You're stuck with their rules. And rule number one is you can't get off the island.
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Postby Enrico_Misso » Sun 15 Oct 2017 11:37pm

Speaking of corrupt/make it up as you go AFL - on what basis did the AFL decide to compensate Geelong with an end of round one pick for Motlop?

Motlop has a heart the size of a pea and is one of the most inconsistent players in the league.
Most thought an end of round two pick was appropriate.

Clearly with the MRP closed down till next year the AFL has borrowed their random number generator to pluck out a generous compo pick.
Or is there a more sinister underhand dirty deal going on?
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Postby Rosco » Mon 16 Oct 2017 6:20am

Enrico_Misso wrote:Or is there a more sinister underhand dirty deal going on?


This.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby SaintPav » Mon 16 Oct 2017 7:30am

Pick 19 for Motlop.

:roll:

This is a joke, right?

Are the AFL taking the piss?

Comp is rigged.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby ace » Mon 16 Oct 2017 8:48am

SaintPav wrote:Pick 19 for Motlop.

:roll:

This is a joke, right?

Are the AFL taking the piss?

Comp is rigged.



I have to say it but the free agency system is being GAMED.
WhatAFlop was a restricited free agent.
The clubs know or have fair idea of the salary necessary to generate draft picks out of losing a free agent.

Hawthorn knew how much they had to pay to get Melbourne a mid first round pick for Frawley.
But the points for a first round pick vary greatly pick 2 = 2517 points for the bottom team but pick 19 = 948 points for the premiers.
A mid round pick is slotted in behind your normal round pick.
Hawthorn and Melbourne gamed the system.
Hawthorn would front end load Frawley's contract and the salary for the first 2 years just be enough to get Melbourne a mid first round pick = pick 3.
Melbourne would NOT match the offer.

In the case of WhatAFlop, Port have offered just enough for Geelong to get an end of first round pick = 19
Had Port offered a little less Geelong would have been given a mid second round pick.
Based on Geelong's ladder position that would have been pick 34.
Geelong would have said we will match that to Port.
However if it had been Brisbane losing a player the mid second round pick would have been pick 20.

The AFL is like the politicians in Canberra, so easily gamed like the NDIS.
Price for an GENUINE autistic kid to be housed for 1 night has just leaped 6 times.
The intended beneficiaries end up getting less because they are swamped by those gaming the rules that must APPEAR to be fair to all.
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Postby desertsaint » Mon 16 Oct 2017 8:55am

maybe Port paid a lot more than the $500k reported? It is the only thing that makes sense - other than of course the AFL just making it up as it goes, and pick 19 ends up at the struggling Suns.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby whiskers3614 » Mon 16 Oct 2017 5:31pm

ace wrote:
SaintPav wrote:Pick 19 for Motlop.

:roll:

This is a joke, right?

Are the AFL taking the piss?

Comp is rigged.



I have to say it but the free agency system is being GAMED.
WhatAFlop was a restricited free agent.
The clubs know or have fair idea of the salary necessary to generate draft picks out of losing a free agent.

Hawthorn knew how much they had to pay to get Melbourne a mid first round pick for Frawley.
But the points for a first round pick vary greatly pick 2 = 2517 points for the bottom team but pick 19 = 948 points for the premiers.
A mid round pick is slotted in behind your normal round pick.
Hawthorn and Melbourne gamed the system.
Hawthorn would front end load Frawley's contract and the salary for the first 2 years just be enough to get Melbourne a mid first round pick = pick 3.
Melbourne would NOT match the offer.

In the case of WhatAFlop, Port have offered just enough for Geelong to get an end of first round pick = 19
Had Port offered a little less Geelong would have been given a mid second round pick.
Based on Geelong's ladder position that would have been pick 34.
Geelong would have said we will match that to Port.
However if it had been Brisbane losing a player the mid second round pick would have been pick 20.

The AFL is like the politicians in Canberra, so easily gamed like the NDIS.
Price for an GENUINE autistic kid to be housed for 1 night has just leaped 6 times.
The intended beneficiaries end up getting less because they are swamped by those gaming the rules that must APPEAR to be fair to all.

So who really killed JFK and Diana, surely the corrupt AFL had a role?
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby kalsaint » Mon 16 Oct 2017 9:42pm

ace wrote:There is a rule surrounding future year draft picks - you can sell your first round pick OR one or more of your later picks (but they have to originate at your club) but not both.

Last year Hawthorn did not have the sufficient pick currency for the O'Meara trade.
The corrupt AFL allowed their own rules to be broken.
Hawthorn having sold their first round pick to St Kilda should not have given their 2017 second round pick (now pick 25) to Gold Coast.
The pick they had to give to Gold Coast was GWS 2017 second round (now pick 33).
But the AFL wanted the trade to go through and Gold Coast get a bad deal but as good a deal as possible.
They waved the deal through on the day.

I called this out on the day within minutes of the AFL posting the trade.
I did this on both the Herald Sun and The Age comments sections multiple times.
The AFL quietly admitted that it was illegal over a week later with little media coverage.

Today I call out the AFL again.
Melbourne can not trade both their 2018 first round pick and fourth round picks as part of the Jake Lever trade.
They may be receiving Adelaide's third round pick in return but it does NOT comply.
The AFL can't say as they did in the O'Meara trade "we only realised our error after it was too late".
They have over week to cancel this trade and ensure that the deal complies.

STOP BEING CORRUPT AFL


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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby Drake Huggins » Mon 16 Oct 2017 9:57pm

whiskers3614 wrote:
ace wrote:
SaintPav wrote:Pick 19 for Motlop.

:roll:

This is a joke, right?

Are the AFL taking the piss?

Comp is rigged.



I have to say it but the free agency system is being GAMED.
WhatAFlop was a restricited free agent.
The clubs know or have fair idea of the salary necessary to generate draft picks out of losing a free agent.

Hawthorn knew how much they had to pay to get Melbourne a mid first round pick for Frawley.
But the points for a first round pick vary greatly pick 2 = 2517 points for the bottom team but pick 19 = 948 points for the premiers.
A mid round pick is slotted in behind your normal round pick.
Hawthorn and Melbourne gamed the system.
Hawthorn would front end load Frawley's contract and the salary for the first 2 years just be enough to get Melbourne a mid first round pick = pick 3.
Melbourne would NOT match the offer.



In the case of WhatAFlop, Port have offered just enough for Geelong to get an end of first round pick = 19
Had Port offered a little less Geelong would have been given a mid second round pick.
Based on Geelong's ladder position that would have been pick 34.
Geelong would have said we will match that to Port.
However if it had been Brisbane losing a player the mid second round pick would have been pick 20.

The AFL is like the politicians in Canberra, so easily gamed like the NDIS.
Price for an GENUINE autistic kid to be housed for 1 night has just leaped 6 times.
The intended beneficiaries end up getting less because they are swamped by those gaming the rules that must APPEAR to be fair to all.

So who really killed JFK and Diana, surely the corrupt AFL had a role?


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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby degruch » Mon 16 Oct 2017 10:32pm

SaintPav wrote:Pick 19 for Motlop.

:roll:

This is a joke, right?

Are the AFL taking the piss?

Comp is rigged.


#3 for James Frawley was taking the piss...this deal looks quite solid in comparison.
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Re: Corrupt AFL Never Learn

Postby Enrico_Misso » Thu 19 Oct 2017 2:17pm

Not sure why the AFL wanted Chequebook to return to Pussyville, but that Motflop charity pick 19 sure got it done!

Nice to have HQ on your side.
Wouldn't be related to Shocking's appointment from Geel to HQ?
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