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Armitage up for trade

Postby Vazelos » Mon 11 Sep 2017 10:05pm

I mentioned awhile ago Armitage is now a player type we have too many of who are younger with bigger upside.
Media sources say the Saints are up to trading him as his contract is back ended heavily for next year and will cost us some big $$.
I'm not sure how much currency he has but it seems we may prefer him off our books.
AR did say we will be aggressive in trading.
What do you think we could get for him and which team would bite?
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Hemi Baxter » Mon 11 Sep 2017 10:16pm

Given that he appears to be suffering from a chronic groin injury, will not start pre-season ready to do a full load, hasn't shown his best form since 2015 and turns 30 next year - bugger all.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Vazelos » Mon 11 Sep 2017 10:20pm

He has 2 years left on his contract that won't be easy to get rid of him.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Hemi Baxter » Mon 11 Sep 2017 10:25pm

He's worth nothing to any other club in his current condition. He's been a good player for us and we'll just have to do our best to get him right. Really felt for him when after slogging through surgery and an extended wait he was sore again pretty much straight away. The club hasn't said so but it does sound like chronic OP.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby parkeysainter » Mon 11 Sep 2017 11:11pm

I think we still need Armitage. Looking at our list we are generally quite young. The only other older guys on the list are Gilbert, N. Brown and Geary. Even then, they're in their late 20's except for Gilbert.

ATM, as inside mids go I would have to say Dunstan, Steele and Stevens are ahead of Armitage. I don't think all 4 can play in the same side each week too. Way too similar players.

We probably need Armitage for his expierence more than anything. The club needs an older head around after Montagna, Riewoldt and Dempster have now departed the fix.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby To the top » Mon 11 Sep 2017 11:16pm

The agenda should be returning him to full fitness because fully fit he is an automatic selection

I do not know why some on here want to trade our skilled players

We should be about adding to compliment the likes of Armitage not trading out because we have others who may fill the void

The void left by the injury to Arnitage was never filled, hence our season

And I will lay it on the line by saying Stevens will never be at the Armitage level and Steele is doubtful

Both Stevens and Steele handball and tackle by their statistics

What is missing?

And that is where Arnitage has it all over them
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby skeptic » Tue 12 Sep 2017 12:42am

Whilst I don't rate Armo as highly as most on here, his presence on field is clearly worth something to this group.

There were many instances this year (Ess, Melb, Port to name a few) where we were completely outplayed for an extended period but weren't out of the match and our players just didn't seem capable of taking it to the opposition...

Armo fears no man and will take anyone on. We certainly missed his endeavour this year.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Sainternist » Tue 12 Sep 2017 12:55am

To the top wrote:The agenda should be returning him to full fitness because fully fit he is an automatic selection

I do not know why some on here want to trade our skilled players

We should be about adding to compliment the likes of Armitage not trading out because we have others who may fill the void

The void left by the injury to Arnitage was never filled, hence our season

And I will lay it on the line by saying Stevens will never be at the Armitage level and Steele is doubtful

Both Stevens and Steele handball and tackle by their statistics

What is missing?

And that is where Arnitage has it all over them


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He's a very good player. With him missing for pretty much the entire season could have been the difference of not finishing in the eight.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby The_President » Tue 12 Sep 2017 12:57am

Sainternist wrote:
To the top wrote:The agenda should be returning him to full fitness because fully fit he is an automatic selection

I do not know why some on here want to trade our skilled players

We should be about adding to compliment the likes of Armitage not trading out because we have others who may fill the void

The void left by the injury to Arnitage was never filled, hence our season

And I will lay it on the line by saying Stevens will never be at the Armitage level and Steele is doubtful

Both Stevens and Steele handball and tackle by their statistics

What is missing?

And that is where Arnitage has it all over them


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He's a very good player. With him missing for pretty much the entire season could have been the difference of not finishing in the eight.



Completely disagree.

Steele didn't have a preseason and was one of the best tacklers in the comp. Will only get better.

Armo has had one really good year, the rest have been so-so.

Send him up to the Gold Coast, they will over pay to get a mature, midfield bull to protect their young guys... Even if he will only play a handful of games.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Sainternist » Tue 12 Sep 2017 1:15am

The_President wrote:
Sainternist wrote:
To the top wrote:The agenda should be returning him to full fitness because fully fit he is an automatic selection

I do not know why some on here want to trade our skilled players

We should be about adding to compliment the likes of Armitage not trading out because we have others who may fill the void

The void left by the injury to Arnitage was never filled, hence our season

And I will lay it on the line by saying Stevens will never be at the Armitage level and Steele is doubtful

Both Stevens and Steele handball and tackle by their statistics

What is missing?

And that is where Arnitage has it all over them


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He's a very good player. With him missing for pretty much the entire season could have been the difference of not finishing in the eight.




Completely disagree.

Steele didn't have a preseason and was one of the best tacklers in the comp. Will only get better.

Armo has had one really good year, the rest have been so-so.

Send him up to the Gold Coast, they will over pay to get a mature, midfield bull to protect their young guys... Even if he will only play a handful of games.


We can agree to disagree on this one. Just imagine Armitage and Steele playing together this year. Davey the Tank would have only added to the midfield which wouldn't have lacked much toughness at all.

Will be interesting to see if he stays or goes. If he stays, he'll be a very handy player to have at our disposal.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby BackFromUSA » Tue 12 Sep 2017 5:32am

More value as a small defensive forward rotating through the midfield than on the trade table IMHO
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby SaintPav » Tue 12 Sep 2017 7:37am

The_President wrote:
Sainternist wrote:
To the top wrote:The agenda should be returning him to full fitness because fully fit he is an automatic selection

I do not know why some on here want to trade our skilled players

We should be about adding to compliment the likes of Armitage not trading out because we have others who may fill the void

The void left by the injury to Arnitage was never filled, hence our season

And I will lay it on the line by saying Stevens will never be at the Armitage level and Steele is doubtful

Both Stevens and Steele handball and tackle by their statistics

What is missing?

And that is where Arnitage has it all over them


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He's a very good player. With him missing for pretty much the entire season could have been the difference of not finishing in the eight.



Completely disagree.

Steele didn't have a preseason and was one of the best tacklers in the comp. Will only get better.

Armo has had one really good year, the rest have been so-so.

Send him up to the Gold Coast, they will over pay to get a mature, midfield bull to protect their young guys... Even if he will only play a handful of games.


Yep Steele is one of the best tacklers but apparently he needs to 'bulk up' because that's what the Lions did from 2001-2003
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Vazelos » Tue 12 Sep 2017 8:19am

The_President wrote:
Sainternist wrote:
To the top wrote:The agenda should be returning him to full fitness because fully fit he is an automatic selection

I do not know why some on here want to trade our skilled players

We should be about adding to compliment the likes of Armitage not trading out because we have others who may fill the void

The void left by the injury to Arnitage was never filled, hence our season

And I will lay it on the line by saying Stevens will never be at the Armitage level and Steele is doubtful

Both Stevens and Steele handball and tackle by their statistics

What is missing?

And that is where Arnitage has it all over them


1+



He's a very good player. With him missing for pretty much the entire season could have been the difference of not finishing in the eight.



Completely disagree.

Steele didn't have a preseason and was one of the best tacklers in the comp. Will only get better.

Armo has had one really good year, the rest have been so-so.

Send him up to the Gold Coast, they will over pay to get a mature, midfield bull to protect their young guys... Even if he will only play a handful of games.


Spot on Steele with no pre season is an elite contested mid fielder in the AFL at 21..
Arnitage at 30 with Dunstan finally showing some form and Koby Stevens we are covered in this area.
Arnitage is possible to be traded.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby Mr Magic » Tue 12 Sep 2017 8:57am

Fully fit Armo can perform the 'Mav Weller role' of defensive half forward better than Mav (IMHO).
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby St Chris » Tue 12 Sep 2017 9:35am

Mr Magic wrote:Fully fit Armo can perform the 'Mav Weller role' of defensive half forward better than Mav (IMHO).


Assuming Weller can get fit and find something close to 2016, he is far better in the air than Armo, and because of that, demands more attention from his opponent, which is critical for that half forward role.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby GregPackhamsHeadband » Tue 12 Sep 2017 9:44am

Mr Magic wrote:Fully fit Armo can perform the 'Mav Weller role' of defensive half forward better than Mav (IMHO).

I see this as his future role, if he stays. It was one area we were sadly lacking in. One of the major causes of Ninthmond's improvement was the pressure applied by its small forwards. Armo would be a huge upgrade on Lonie and Minchington and could be our new enforcer. They could use a bit of leadership up there now that Roo is gone. At times last year, our forward line looked more like the Woodstock festival than a functioning system.

If Hamill survives, we may as well give up. Honestly, we had no real structure, method or pressure up forward. McCartin regressed from promising signs in 2016 (even allowing for the shocking injury run), in that his marking confidence, his strength, deserted him and the fact that his team mates often ignored leads in favour of others. Seeing Paddy have to lead up to the wing to get a kick infuriated me. He's a deep forward, older style, lead and clunk type. There is still a place for that type in the modern game. If you're good enough. The forwards' coach has clearly demonstrated he is not up to it. Time for change.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby perfectionist » Tue 12 Sep 2017 10:02am

Arno? Ah, no.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby prwilkinson » Tue 12 Sep 2017 11:14am

Armo's body is pretty shot. I'm not even sure if he'll ever even get back to playing AFL footy for more than 4 games in a row.
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby whiskers3614 » Tue 12 Sep 2017 1:56pm

Bit rough when people still can't spell your name after ten years!!
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Re: Arnitage up for trade

Postby MickThomas » Tue 12 Sep 2017 4:02pm

whiskers3614 wrote:Bit rough when people still can't spell your name after ten years!!

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Re: Armitage up for trade

Postby Myron Gaines » Tue 12 Sep 2017 6:06pm

Armo was up for trade last year - no bites. I doubt a year later & with greater injury concerns any interest is there.
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Re: Armitage up for trade

Postby Stian » Tue 12 Sep 2017 7:18pm

Why are we talking about a trade - hasn't Armo been around long enough to be a free agent? Not sure about the rules on that question but if he is a FA then can't he go anywhere he likes without the need for a trade?
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Re: Armitage up for trade

Postby GregPackhamsHeadband » Tue 12 Sep 2017 7:23pm

Stian wrote:Why are we talking about a trade - hasn't Armo been around long enough to be a free agent? Not sure about the rules on that question but if he is a FA then can't he go anywhere he likes without the need for a trade?

Doesn't the fact he's contracted mean he's not a free agent? He's got two years left on his contract, I believe.
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Re: Armitage up for trade

Postby Stian » Tue 12 Sep 2017 7:31pm

GregPackhamsHeadband wrote:
Stian wrote:Why are we talking about a trade - hasn't Armo been around long enough to be a free agent? Not sure about the rules on that question but if he is a FA then can't he go anywhere he likes without the need for a trade?

Doesn't the fact he's contracted mean he's not a free agent? He's got two years left on his contract, I believe.


Ahhh, well there you go. I said that I wasn't sure about the rules (oops). Thanks for setting me straight.
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Re: Armitage up for trade

Postby GregPackhamsHeadband » Tue 12 Sep 2017 7:36pm

No dramas, Stian. It was a valid question. The rules are often ambiguous. Sometimes clubs give a player an extra year so they can be traded rather than being lost to FA and RFA. We'd get bugger all compensation for Armo if we lost him to FA, so maybe it's part of Ameet's cunning plan, although I doubt it. I really can't seeing anyone biting, especially not after this year. He should end up being a one club player.
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