Competitive Will and Onfield Leadership

[cps]

Now that we are losing Riewoldt and possibly Montagna at the end to the seasson I was wondering two things about the current list:

1. It's well-known that Riewoldt set an incredible example on the training track and around the club - who fills that role once he's gone?

2. Both Riewoldt and Montagna have both been excellent on-field leaders in terms of set-ups, structures, etc. (perhaps the result of last Saturday would have been different had one or both played). Who will the on-field "organisers" once they're gone? I know Gears is one, but who else is there?

Cheers!

[thejiggingsaint]

Now that we are losing Riewoldt and possibly Montagna at the end to the seasson I was wondering two things about the current list:

1. It's well-known that Riewoldt set an incredible example on the training track and around the club - who fills that role once he's gone?

2. Both Riewoldt and Montagna have both been excellent on-field leaders in terms of set-ups, structures, etc. (perhaps the result of last Saturday would have been different had one or both played). Who will the on-field "organisers" once they're gone? I know Gears is one, but who else is there?

Cheers!

Good post cps, and an interesting question for us to ponder on, colleague. For what it's worth, my feeling is that someone will emerge, possibly in these next four weeks, and will take on that role. I asked myself similar questions when Loewe, Burke, and Harvey retired.

[Beno88]

It was devastatingly obvious that no one emerged in the dying moments on Saturday.

[dals_da_bomb]

I would hope Steven would step up also.
He should be brilliant. He touches on brilliance more often than not.

[saintspremiers]

It was devastatingly obvious that no one emerged in the dying moments on Saturday.

Carlisle did but it's pretty hard to save the game from full back unless you do a Leo Barry at just the right time.

For me, Carlisle should be our captain next year. He has all the attributes we need for the role IMO.

[To the top]

As I put in a rant on another thread, Carlisle should assume leadership

And his support should include representation from the First Round Draft Picks over the past couple of years to progress their development - along with Armitage and Steven who are our core

[cps]

Interesting replies, but I wasn't thinking of the player that "saves the game" - more the person who organises the setup and gets the players in the right positions guarding the right spaces.

Also, a few replies have mentioned people who "should" stand up - I was hoping that there would be players on the list who actually want to do this. As an observer, Steven comes across as someone who doesn't naturally do this. So who have we got - Armo? Seb?

[thejiggingsaint]

Interesting replies, but I wasn't thinking of the player that "saves the game" - more the person who organises the setup and gets the players in the right positions guarding the right spaces.

Also, a few replies have mentioned people who "should" stand up - I was hoping that there would be players on the list who actually want to do this. As an observer, Steven comes across as someone who doesn't naturally do this. So who have we got - Armo? Seb?

Fair comment

[takeaway]

Hodge gone next year, also possibly Gibson, who takes their place in organising setups? You could say the same for any team losing experienced leaders.

Leaders will develop further once the oldies go.

[cps]

So here's the official leadership group:

Geary, Newnes, Steven, Armitage, Weller, Ross

For the onfield "director" (I'll call it that for want of a better term) I reckon you need someone with experience (especially of tight, high-pressure situations) and a cool head so they can look after what they have to do and direct less experienced team mates. The list above doesn't seem to have a natural standout. Maybe Joey needs to go around again?

[thejiggingsaint]

So here's the official leadership group:

Geary, Newnes, Steven, Armitage, Weller, Ross

For the onfield "director" (I'll call it that for want of a better term) I reckon you need someone with experience (especially of tight, high-pressure situations) and a cool head so they can look after what they have to do and direct less experienced team mates. The list above doesn't seem to have a natural standout. Maybe Joey needs to go around again?

You know Colleague, I LOVE the good old saying: "cometh the hour; Cometh the man"!

[older saint]

Sounds like you are after the next Lenny?

From what i have seen Ross perhaps , but i think the issue is usually it is an A grader who imposes themselves at the critical moments, and we do not have one IMO at the moment. A few A- or B+ but no silk. Perhaps Ross is closest we have - hence why we must throw everything we have at Kelly

[Teflon]

Hodge gone next year, also possibly Gibson, who takes their place in organising setups? You could say the same for any team losing experienced leaders.

Leaders will develop further once the oldies go.

Roughead, Bruce, Gunston, Mitchell's been handy?

I reckon their potentials are better than

Newnes, Weller or Geary TBH

[thejiggingsaint]

Hodge gone next year, also possibly Gibson, who takes their place in organising setups? You could say the same for any team losing experienced leaders.

Leaders will develop further once the oldies go.

Roughead, Bruce, Gunston, Mitchell's been handy?

I reckon their potentials are better than

Newnes, Weller or Geary TBH

The Hawthorn group's "collective experience" is "better" too colleague!

[takeaway]

Hodge gone next year, also possibly Gibson, who takes their place in organising setups? You could say the same for any team losing experienced leaders.

Leaders will develop further once the oldies go.

Roughead, Bruce, Gunston, Mitchell's been handy?

I reckon their potentials are better than

Newnes, Weller or Geary TBH

Their "collective experience" is "better" too colleague!

Probably better now, but not when we should be challenging 2019-22. Roughhead, Frawley, Birchall, Burgoyne etc probably all gone then.

As I said leaders will develop further when vacancies occur.

[WellardSaint]

So here's the official leadership group:

Geary, Newnes, Steven, Armitage, Weller, Ross

For the onfield "director" (I'll call it that for want of a better term) I reckon you need someone with experience (especially of tight, high-pressure situations) and a cool head so they can look after what they have to do and direct less experienced team mates. The list above doesn't seem to have a natural standout. Maybe Joey needs to go around again?

You forgot Baroose in the group...

[loris]

So here's the official leadership group:

Geary, Newnes, Steven, Armitage, Weller, Ross

For the onfield "director" (I'll call it that for want of a better term) I reckon you need someone with experience (especially of tight, high-pressure situations) and a cool head so they can look after what they have to do and direct less experienced team mates. The list above doesn't seem to have a natural standout. Maybe Joey needs to go around again?

You forgot Baroose in the group...

And Roberton!

[Rocket]

I believe one of our biggest weakness right now is our lack of midfield experience. We don't have an experienced head (or two) to take hold of game when it matters. Really miss Armitage as he is our oldest and lost experienced mid.

[cps]

I got the list from here:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... ec5805114c

When were Roberton and Bruce added?

[freely]

Announced when Geary became captain.
http://www.saints.com.au/news/2017-02-0 ... shed-group

"As part of the transition from experience to youth, Dylan Roberton, Josh Bruce and Seb Ross enter the leadership group for the first time in their careers, joining Mav Weller, Jack Newnes, Jack Steven and David Armitage in the group."

[spert]

Experience doesn't mean good leadership. Some people are better leaders than others, irrespective of how much experience they may have.

[fugazi]

I reckon Bruce and Membrey might step up in Roos absence.
Roo cast a big shadow....I reckon they will emerge as leaders.

[Junction Oval]

From a recent television mike-up, Gears had a fair bit to say whilst on the field. Not sure whether that's intelligent/tactical advice or not, but he must have respect from the playing group, to be appointed captain. None of the others, except Carlisle, show leadership qualities.

Carlisle seems to be "a leader," but it may be too early for him. However, as the Jiggster said - cometh the hour, cometh the man.

[freely]

Ross and Newnes most leadership potential for mine. Although Gears has grown into the role much better than I expected. Last year, I thought Weller looked well capable of 'leading the team into battle' but never seemed particularly smart and has seemed even less so this season!

[thejiggingsaint]

Ross and Newnes most leadership potential for mine. Although Gears has grown into the role much better than I expected. Last year, I thought Weller looked well capable of 'leading the team into battle' but never seemed particularly smart and has seemed even less so this season!

Spot on re: Seb & Jack Newnes. Weller? Hmmmmmm? Not prepared to write him off completely JUST yet. The addition of an A-grade midfielder for 2018 will see where we're at.