Paddy misses 2 weeks with concussion!

[WellardSaint]

Take all the emotion and excuses out of it and ask yourself if you expected Paddy to be more advanced for a number 1 pick nearly 3 years and 3 pre seasons into his career. I certainly did. I personally find it concerning his highest goal tally in the AFL is still only 2 for a genuine forward.

Forget about the reasons. There have been plenty. I was expecting him to be an easy best 22 contributing 3 or 4 goals every now and then, whilst contributing weekly, at this stage of his career.

Don't take this as I want him gone or anything like that. I love it when he's picked to play and keep hoping this will be the week he kicks 4 or 5. We desperately need him to suceed.

I'm just not convinced he'll be a great forward, or even make it at this stage. Alot of questions still. Didn't expect there to be as many 3 years in. Was hoping the general concensus by now was that he is going to be a very good player. It's not unfortunately. And unfortunately for Paddy he's a number 1 pick.

Hopefully he has a break out game before seasons end.

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Richo is like a politician spouting empty rhetoric
"I expect Paddy to be a very good player for us for a very long time"

This is as much for Paddy's confidence, as well as the board, the other players, and of course the members.

The reality behind closed doors would be exactly what millarsaint suggests.

There is concern as it's a genuine massive recurring issue that will get worse with each incident,
until the time comes to call it over.
Freezer has hammy issues, but the management routine has so far worked wonders, so there is an upward trajectory.
What the poor young Paddy is experiencing, is the opposite.

Incredibly sad but as WW says, his health should be the number 1 priority and it's a huge chasm to #2- his form and fitness

[bigcarl]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... dc227e8c86

McCARTIN SIDELINED AGAIN WITH CONCUSSION

PADDY McCartin will spend more time on the sidelines due to concussion as the Saints take a cautious approach to the key forward's return to footy.

McCartin will miss at least another 2-3 weeks to recover from a bout of concussion sustained in the VFL last month.

While the former No.1 draft pick is not feeling any day-to-day symptoms and is "about 95 per cent (right), medical staff want him to be at 100 per cent when he returns to football.

"There's a few things like base line testing and things like that where I'm not quite 100 per cent," McCartin said.

"With the head stuff it's pretty important that that's all 100 per cent and spot on.

"I'll have a few more weeks off and reassess then.

"I'm feeling really good, I feel fine. I'm doing all the training, probably more of the training load than what I would in-season when I'm playing so that's a positive."

[bigcarl]

That will make it five weeks

[magnifisaint]

Wow 2 weeks in Saints land is starting to feel forever.

[The Fireman]

just wondering if they ask knowledge questions or similar to gauge where he is at ... if so what if Paddy is as thick as 2 painters planks ?

[magnifisaint]

You have a point. Maybe he should be able to recite his times tables. I think Battle is up to his 7 times table, so he wouldn't want to get concussion.

[Sainter_Dad]

just wondering if they ask knowledge questions or similar to gauge where he is at ... if so what if Paddy is as thick as 2 painters planks ?

That is the baseline test - they ask you questions that they have previously asked you and noted your responses - they then compare the answer and the time it takes to respond.

[The Fireman]

just wondering if they ask knowledge questions or similar to gauge where he is at ... if so what if Paddy is as thick as 2 painters planks ?

That is the baseline test - they ask you questions that they have previously asked you and noted your responses - they then compare the answer and the time it takes to respond.

hmm lucky I don't get tested ... I wouldn't be allowed to walk to the local milkbar let alone play football.

[White Winmar]

Put the boy in cotton wool for the rest of the year. It's clear there is a significant problem, far worse than they're letting on. Missing five weeks, probably more in the end, from a knock like that indicates there is something seriously wrong. Give him an extended break from contact work and let him work on getting his endurance and running up to speed. Treat him like Freeman. A very long term project. Imagine if they both came good by round one next year? Two top recruits right there, plus whoever else we can add at the end of this year. I just hope it's not the end for Paddy, nor that he's already done permanent damage.

[saynta]

Put the boy in cotton wool for the rest of the year. It's clear there is a significant problem, far worse than they're letting on. Missing five weeks, probably more in the end, from a knock like that indicates there is something seriously wrong. Give him an extended break from contact work and let him work on getting his endurance and running up to speed. Treat him like Freeman. A very long term project. Imagine if they both came good by round one next year? Two top recruits right there, plus whoever else we can add at the end of this year. I just hope it's not the end for Paddy, nor that he's already done permanent damage.

I fully agree with you there.

[saintbrat]

Listen to Paddy- glad the club and Paddy have spoken -
http://www.saints.com.au/video/2017-07- ... erence-127

[Linton Lodger]

It appears he saw a Specialist today or thereabouts, and they said 'not quite'.

Paddy claims that the Specialist doesn't believe Paddy has a susceptibility rather he's reckless. He does put his head where angels fear to tread, I've seen him do it on a few occasions including the most recent one, he's absolutely fearless.

Maybe why he has been out of sorts form wise, trying to contain his attack on the footy. In previous years I've seen him hit aerial contests really hard and without fear, unfortunately it has to be tempered a tad, because he keeps hurting himself, the collarbone was from that type of incident too.

[saintspremiers]

So Paddy goes into the contest either too hard or foolhardy. Take your pick.

Roo and other big boys go in hard also without doing the same damage to their brains.

So unless he can significantly change the way he plays without becoming a soft outside receiver it's not looking good.

[White Winmar]

So Paddy goes into the contest either too hard or foolhardy. Take your pick.

Roo and other big boys go in hard also without doing the same damage to their brains.

So unless he can significantly change the way he plays without becoming a soft outside receiver it's not looking good.

Too hard, too foolhardy? Makes me think of the courage and playing styles of Roo, Jonathon Brown, Joel Selwood et al. and despite all the knocks they've taken, they've all had long careers. Nothing wrong with Paddy's style or courage. There's something wrong with his physiology. I asked an endocrinologist about Paddy and he said that his diabetes was a significant variable (scientist) and a definite risk. He added he was sure that the club would've done their homework with a specialist in the area. He made a very pertinent comment, though. He said they probably heard what would've been said about risk, but chose to take the gamble that he would be OK. He said that's common with many patients and those assessed for risk. He added that in many cases, people get away with not managing their conditions in the short term, but that it usually catches up with them.

AFL clubs are notorious for getting players' physical management wrong, and for pushing things too far, despite all the talk of how seriously they take player welfare. Think the dopers, filth with Freeman, Andrew Phillips, excessive pain killing injections etc. I'm not accusing the club of mismanagement, but this is starting to look like a perfect storm of where risk collides with bad luck and everything turns to you know what.

[mr six o'clock]

So Paddy goes into the contest either too hard or foolhardy. Take your pick.

Roo and other big boys go in hard also without doing the same damage to their brains.

So unless he can significantly change the way he plays without becoming a soft outside receiver it's not looking good.

Yes
It's almost time to get the fork out .

[fugazi]

So Paddy goes into the contest either too hard or foolhardy. Take your pick.

Roo and other big boys go in hard also without doing the same damage to their brains.

So unless he can significantly change the way he plays without becoming a soft outside receiver it's not looking good.

Yes
It's almost time to get the fork out .

He's done.
Feel sorry for the kid, but he isn't going to make it.
He is demonstrably more susceptible to concussion than average and slower at healing from it....how does that play out in the toughest game in the world?
From St Kilda list management point of view...if someone would give a late first round or early second we should take it.

[freely]

The worst sign imho is that he says he won't try to change anything in his game to try and minimise the risk - just says that's how i play endof. That seems dumb to me. I'm sorry he takes that attitude - because yes it might well be endof!

[sainters85]

The worst sign imho is that he says he won't try to change anything in his game to try and minimise the risk - just says that's how i play endof. That seems dumb to me. I'm sorry he takes that attitude - because yes it might well be endof!

yes since he doesn't want to change his attack on the ball, should be traded for a first rounder if possible

[saintspremiers]

So Paddy goes into the contest either too hard or foolhardy. Take your pick.

Roo and other big boys go in hard also without doing the same damage to their brains.

So unless he can significantly change the way he plays without becoming a soft outside receiver it's not looking good.

Yes
It's almost time to get the fork out .

He's done.
Feel sorry for the kid, but he isn't going to make it.
He is demonstrably more susceptible to concussion than average and slower at healing from it....how does that play out in the toughest game in the world?
From St Kilda list management point of view...if someone would give a late first round or early second we should take it.

Not sure if we'd get an early second round pick for him at this stage.

I highly doubt he's going anywhere next year. Rookie list in 2019 may be an option if next year doesn't work out.

[saintsRrising]

Unless a club offers overs for Paddy he would not be traded.

I expect that he will be rested for much of the remaining year now (may be part of the reason for Marshall's elevation), and schooled on how he attacks the ball.

For now they should just have him concentrate on building his tank to get him ready for 2018.

That will effectively give us 3 extra new recruits for 2018 in Paddy, Freeman and our 2017 first pick (which in past is the Hawks first 2018 pick) or whatever player that pick is traded for.

[saintbrat]

Times have changed- and care for future is equal parts with getting a player back on the field



https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/13/ ... igh-flyer/

I was proud of the way I played but it was some pretty dumb stuff looking back on it, but I am proud of the way I played.”

Smith played local footy up until 2012, but after another knock playing for Newlyn – and getting checked out by a professional – he was forced into retirement.

“I got knocked out when I was playing footy in 2012, and I went to go get a few scans from the old North Melbourne doctor. He told me I needed to give it away, he said at my age with the scar tissue I have on my brain, I needed to.”

Smith, who now coaches, says due to his experience with head knocks he is extremely hard on his players if they show anything close to a concussion.

“If any of my boys get a head knock, there day is over. That’s it.”

The 109-gamer says you can’t help but worry when it comes to brain injuries, and does all he can to repair his brain.

“I hear big time now about this type of stuff. Back in those days you didn’t show weakness and if you were knocked out you just kept playing and went on with it,” he said.

“I do worry long term. You hear about dementia and mental illness and all that sort of stuff… I do a lot of word memory games and stuff like that to keep my brain on top of it.”

I wonder when it will come that Clubs will need to take ;" OH&S Duty of care" into account - how long should Sellwood and others- including Cripps with head and ribs etc be allowed back onto the field - that game let alone the next week-- given the litigiousness of society these days it will come-- being a hero may soon be second.

[saintbrat]

Barrett has caught up with the news-- Paddy being managed and not being rushed.

( ps damo- I think the saints and Paddy told you that 2 days ago)

but for what it's worth I felt his tone was not dismissive of the saints handling-- and not that it means anything.

[saintspremiers]

Couldn't care less about f****** Selwood.

Biggest ducker in AFL history.

If e has some head issues it's the karma bus sorry.