Dishing the ball off when in Set Shot range

[Devilhead]

I counted at least 5 times on the weekend when a player dished the ball off when lining up for a set shot within distance (happy to be corrected)

Carlisle twice received the ball from a player (Billings?) - kicked a goal and a point

Gilbert received from Newnes for a point

Lonie twice dished it off - once for an intercept turnover and once to Dunstan who kicked a point.

So from 5 set shot positions we kicked 1.3 and a turnover - now I know we are struggling with set shots but surely the coaches tell the players to back themselves and take the shot on?? - especially when in range

Now I know Lonie was both times on the boundary (about 30 - 35m out) however he didn't once even look like taking the shot - just continually looked inside

Newnes giving it to Gilbert

No doubt our set shot kicking is woeful at the moment and we are seemingly short on confidence but it isn't going to get any better if we keep passing on the responsibility

[bigcarl]

Indicates a lack of confidence in their ability to nail the shot. In Lonie's case I guess he can claim the angles were pretty severe.

Still if he wants to make a name as a small forward/mid he needs to take ownership of those.

Newnes, as a fairly capable kick, should have taken his but got sucked in by Carlisle.

Gresham had a fairly easy running shot that I'm sure he would have liked to take but Rooey said, "give it to me" and we know what happens then, no matter which side you are on.

[Enrico_Misso]

Great observation.
Often the receiver is forced to rush his kick as the man on the mark charges to him.
If the original kicker went back and had a balanced runup the result would surely be better than 1.3 out of 5 shots!

[Devilhead]

Great observation.
Often the receiver is forced to rush his kick as the man on the mark charges to him.
If the original kicker went back and had a balanced runup the result would surely be better than 1.3 out of 5 shots!

You would think so however after watching Dunstan's pre-shot routine and the way he was holding the ball you can see why he was every chance of missing his set shot - didn't seem to be any routine at all - just a quick lazy shot at goal

Some of our players seem to have a routine when setting up for a shot - eg: Bruce / Sinclair / Membrey - however others not so much ..... which is alarming!!

[BackFromUSA]

Great observation.
Often the receiver is forced to rush his kick as the man on the mark charges to him.
If the original kicker went back and had a balanced runup the result would surely be better than 1.3 out of 5 shots!

You would think so however after watching Dunstan's pre-shot routine and the way he was holding the ball you can see why he was every chance of missing his set shot - didn't seem to be any routine at all - just a quick lazy shot at goal

Some of our players seem to have a routine when setting up for a shot - eg: Bruce / Sinclair / Membrey - however others not so much ..... which is alarming!!

I cringed at the way Dunstan was holding the ball for that set shot. Horrible.

[Enrico_Misso]

I cringed at the way Dunstan was holding the ball for that set shot. Horrible.

It is simply unacceptable.
This is a multi multi million dollar industry and given the aim each week is to kick a winning score kicking for goal should be a prime focus.
EVERYONE including the backmen should have a set routine monitored and improved by coaching specialists using replays and aids.

Serious golfers spend several hours a day practicing their putting.
If our players spent two hours a day practicing kicking for goal under supervision we would improve out of sight.

[White Winmar]

I cringed at the way Dunstan was holding the ball for that set shot. Horrible.

It is simply unacceptable.
This is a multi multi million dollar industry and given the aim each week is to kick a winning score kicking for goal should be a prime focus.
EVERYONE including the backmen should have a set routine monitored and improved by coaching specialists using replays and aids.

Serious golfers spend several hours a day practicing their putting.
If our players spent two hours a day practicing kicking for goal under supervision we would improve out of sight.

Spot on Enrico. Should be the easiest discipline in the game. There is no physical pressure the opposition is allowed to apply. You have one of the few moments in the game where you can take thirty seconds to catch your breath, settle, focus on the task at hand without being monstered. We also play under a roof most of the time, so that takes the atmospherics out. Bloody sports scientists tell us kicking for goal during and after training leaves us vulnerable to fatigue and injury. I tell you what not practicing leaves us vulnerable to. Losses and a diminished percentage, which leads to missed opportunity and no finals and no premierships.

[saintspremiers]

I cringed at the way Dunstan was holding the ball for that set shot. Horrible.

It is simply unacceptable.
This is a multi multi million dollar industry and given the aim each week is to kick a winning score kicking for goal should be a prime focus.
EVERYONE including the backmen should have a set routine monitored and improved by coaching specialists using replays and aids.
I
Serious golfers spend several hours a day practicing their putting.
If our players spent two hours a day practicing kicking for goal under supervision we would improve out of sight.

Spot on Enrico. Should be the easiest discipline in the game. There is no physical pressure the opposition is allowed to apply. You have one of the few moments in the game where you can take thirty seconds to catch your breath, settle, focus on the task at hand without being monstered. We also play under a roof most of the time, so that takes the atmospherics out. Bloody sports scientists tell us kicking for goal during and after training leaves us vulnerable to fatigue and injury. I tell you what not practicing leaves us vulnerable to. Losses and a diminished percentage, which leads to missed opportunity and no finals and no premierships.

Footy 101.

I assume other clubs do this properly ?

[supersaints]

I cringed at the way Dunstan was holding the ball for that set shot. Horrible.

It is simply unacceptable.
This is a multi multi million dollar industry and given the aim each week is to kick a winning score kicking for goal should be a prime focus.
EVERYONE including the backmen should have a set routine monitored and improved by coaching specialists using replays and aids.

Serious golfers spend several hours a day practicing their putting.
If our players spent two hours a day practicing kicking for goal under supervision we would improve out of sight.

WOW... that means serious golfers would not have a day job... several hours???. don't know how much you play but it's not possible or desirable , not in the slightest ... the average pro would spend almost seven hours for his total day ... including all gym workouts swing routines etc etc .. if a serious golfer spent several hours a day putting he needs serious help.

Any pro or serious golfer who spends several hours practicing his putting is ready to give it up ... because you would just do your head in.
Unless you had a very serious flaw in your putting stroke and you are re working it...and it's costing you big time the average serious golfer would not give putting more than about ten percent of his full routine.. most would give putting an hour at the very most...

[bigcarl]

It think it depends how bad their putting is. The analogy is sound, though. If you cannot make putts under pressure you are going to struggle to beat an egg. It's the key to winning.

The ones who want to improve practice enough to be confident in their technique if not in the outcome.

[supersaints]

It think it depends how bad their putting is. The analogy is sound, though. If you cannot make putts under pressure you are going to struggle to beat an egg. It's the key to winning.

The ones who want to improve practice enough to be confident in their technique if not in the outcome.

Anyone who's putting is so bad that they have to spend several hours a day on their putting every day cannot be a serious or even good golfer

I Don't disagree with you on your point of practicing enough to be confident but a full day? Come on..

No one practices several hours a day on putting... no one.. amateur or professional ...it's not possible , or desirable you would do your head in ...end of story that means practicing putting is your full time job And if you were a pro the rest your game would fall apart. No golf coach would ever , ever tell you or let you spend that time . like footballers they need to practice all facets of thier game...


I'm not arguing how important practicing anything is, but I can tell you for example just practicing for practicing sake rarely works in golf . I see player after player on the practice fairway raking balls back one after the other and hitting them , at the end of the day they have just engraved thier bad swing a bit more

I presume. standing kicking at goal for several hours is just practicing kicking badly at goal and further engraining bad technique , he is unlikely to improve , he needs to know what he is practicing that's what the coaches are for

I totally agree across the board our goal kicking is not as good as it should be, but I'll take a guess that the coaching staff know more then we do and it's work in progress, they know it's hurting us. I would think they would have a taylored programme for each player I'm guessing Some of the players would need their technique fixing e.g. ball drop, head placement , follow through etc etc.
some (and I think a lot ) would need work on their mental approach to goal kicking as they appear to have sound technique (to my amature I'm not sure who our sports psychologist is but he will be working with some

I know a hell of a lot more about golf than I do footy, in fact my avatar is a famous quote from a past president who claimed that golf is like football " no wonder he left
And as a great golfer once said "the game is 90% mental" When asked what is the other 10% was he replied "mental"

[bigcarl]

It think it depends how bad their putting is. The analogy is sound, though. If you cannot make putts under pressure you are going to struggle to beat an egg. It's the key to winning.

The ones who want to improve practice enough to be confident in their technique if not in the outcome.

Anyone who's putting is so bad that they have to spend several hours a day on their putting every day cannot be a serious or even good golfer

I Don't disagree with you on your point of practicing enough to be confident but a full day? Come on..

No one practices several hours a day on putting... no one.. amateur or professional ...it's not possible , or desirable you would do your head in ...end of story that means practicing putting is your full time job And if you were a pro the rest your game would fall apart. No golf coach would ever , ever tell you or let you spend that time . like footballers they need to practice all facets of thier game...


I'm not arguing how important practicing anything is, but I can tell you for example just practicing for practicing sake rarely works in golf . I see player after player on the practice fairway raking balls back one after the other and hitting them , at the end of the day they have just engraved thier bad swing a bit more

I presume. standing kicking at goal for several hours is just practicing kicking badly at goal and further engraining bad technique , he is unlikely to improve , he needs to know what he is practicing that's what the coaches are for

I totally agree across the board our goal kicking is not as good as it should be, but I'll take a guess that the coaching staff know more then we do and it's work in progress, they know it's hurting us. I would think they would have a taylored programme for each player I'm guessing Some of the players would need their technique fixing e.g. ball drop, head placement , follow through etc etc.
some (and I think a lot ) would need work on their mental approach to goal kicking as they appear to have sound technique (to my amature I'm not sure who our sports psychologist is but he will be working with some

I know a hell of a lot more about golf than I do footy, in fact my avatar is a famous quote from a past president who claimed that golf is like football " no wonder he left
And as a great golfer once said "the game is 90% mental" When asked what is the other 10% was he replied "mental"

Some of the greatest golfers ever, including Sam Snead and Ben Hogan, suffered from the yips. That is no good for a professional golfer as your livelihood depends on you making putts under pressure. If it took two hours a day I've no doubt they they would do it.

There is a psychological component to it but technique is also important. Mostly they have doubts that their technique will stand up under pressure. Sound familiar?

I agree with you, and have said before, that practice in itself isn't enough. They have to practice the right things.

[ace]

It think it depends how bad their putting is. The analogy is sound, though. If you cannot make putts under pressure you are going to struggle to beat an egg. It's the key to winning.

The ones who want to improve practice enough to be confident in their technique if not in the outcome.

Practice is no where near as important as getting the technique correct ...... then ONLY practising the correct technique.
Practising with the wrong technique only reinforces the failing.

[bigcarl]

Yes I agree.

[bigcarl]

It think it depends how bad their putting is. The analogy is sound, though. If you cannot make putts under pressure you are going to struggle to beat an egg. It's the key to winning.

The ones who want to improve practice enough to be confident in their technique if not in the outcome.

Practice is no where near as important as getting the technique correct ...... then ONLY practising the correct technique.
Practising with the wrong technique only reinforces the failing.

I agree with you 100 per cent on this. Poor technique breaks down under pressure. Which leads to lack of confidence and a perception that it's "all in your head". It might seem like that but it is not.

[Jacks Back]

Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. Vince Lombardi

[repta]

Think of the hamstrings... will someone please think of the hamstrings.

[skeptic]

Think of the hamstrings... will someone please think of the hamstrings.

Post of the year

[supersaints]

It think it depends how bad their putting is. The analogy is sound, though. If you cannot make putts under pressure you are going to struggle to beat an egg. It's the key to winning.

The ones who want to improve practice enough to be confident in their technique if not in the outcome.

Anyone who's putting is so bad that they have to spend several hours a day on their putting every day cannot be a serious or even good golfer

I Don't disagree with you on your point of practicing enough to be confident but a full day? Come on..

No one practices several hours a day on putting... no one.. amateur or professional ...it's not possible , or desirable you would do your head in ...end of story that means practicing putting is your full time job And if you were a pro the rest your game would fall apart. No golf coach would ever , ever tell you or let you spend that time . like footballers they need to practice all facets of thier game...


I'm not arguing how important practicing anything is, but I can tell you for example just practicing for practicing sake rarely works in golf . I see player after player on the practice fairway raking balls back one after the other and hitting them , at the end of the day they have just engraved thier bad swing a bit more

I presume. standing kicking at goal for several hours is just practicing kicking badly at goal and further engraining bad technique , he is unlikely to improve , he needs to know what he is practicing that's what the coaches are for

I totally agree across the board our goal kicking is not as good as it should be, but I'll take a guess that the coaching staff know more then we do and it's work in progress, they know it's hurting us. I would think they would have a taylored programme for each player I'm guessing Some of the players would need their technique fixing e.g. ball drop, head placement , follow through etc etc.
some (and I think a lot ) would need work on their mental approach to goal kicking as they appear to have sound technique (to my amature I'm not sure who our sports psychologist is but he will be working with some

I know a hell of a lot more about golf than I do footy, in fact my avatar is a famous quote from a past president who claimed that golf is like football " no wonder he left
And as a great golfer once said "the game is 90% mental" When asked what is the other 10% was he replied "mental"

Some of the greatest golfers ever, including Sam Snead and Ben Hogan, suffered from the yips. That is no good for a professional golfer as your livelihood depends on you making putts under pressure. If it took two hours a day I've no doubt they they would do it.

There is a psychological component to it but technique is also important. Mostly they have doubts that their technique will stand up under pressure. Sound familiar?

I agree with you, and have said before, that practice in itself isn't enough. They have to practice the right things.

The point you make about the greatest golfers in the world getting the yips just proves my point totally .. do you seriously think that Ben Hogan, Sam Sneed, Harry Varden and to name a few others like Baker Finch, Bernard Langer and I could go on and on all of a sudden got poor technique that they could not correct?????

If it took two hours a day , or several hours a day then why the hell did they never ever recover ???? Why could the greatest golfers who had the best teqniques and games in the world end up in a trembling heap over a two foot putt that a rank amature should make . The fact it finished thier career should tell you it's not about how much you practice... cause I'll bet every cent I own that All of them would have practiced several hours a day if it worked , they all probably tried it ... and they all failed


There is no exact known reason for the yips but some great golf psychologists suggest that you remember all your misses and they mount up and bulld up a perceived pressure... remembering in your sub conscious the misses.

My expertise is not football but I'd wager a bet that Cloke from the dogs is truly in the yips category, and that's why he is really struggling




The yips has curtailed the career of hundreds of pro golfers ( and a score more amatures) so if the idea of practicing several hours a day would fix the yips so they would have overcome them is invalid.