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Re: Judd sinks the boots into saints...

Post: # 1677607Post Linton Lodger »

White Winmar wrote:
Linton Lodger wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that Petracca could very well not turn out to be as good as Billings (Pick 3), Gresham (Pick 17) and Acres (Pick 18)? I'm betting at least 2 of them will be better than Petracca, probably all 3.

This thread has gone on, yet no one has articulated where we'd now find a key forward if we had taken Petracca instead of Paddy.

By the way here's a list of AFL players with Type 1 Diabetes:

Australian rules football

Nathan Bassett, Adelaide, type 1.
Jamie Cripps, St Kilda and West Coast, type 1.
Jack Fitzpatrick, Melbourne, Hawthorn type 1.
Brandon Jack, Sydney, type 1.
Paddy McCartin, St Kilda, type 1.
Sam Reid, Western Bulldogs and Greater Western Sydney, type 1.
Dale Weightman, Richmond, type 1.

Sam Reid has been in good form for GWS displacing many high draft picks, Brandon Jack is a handy player and Dale Weightman didn't go too badly.
No champions in that lot. Weightman the exception. Played 30 years ago. Unknown how severe his diabetes was. Ridiculous gamble given it was pick one.
Its a gamble if our due diligance wasn't up to snuff. It may or may not have been, we don't know.

I see a kid that can play and has some freakish abilities. Don't pay attention to a few dropped marks, he has beautiful soft hands. His reading of the ball in flight is uncanny and he has a really quick & smart footy brain.

He has challenges but I don't see them necessarily being related to his diabetes, altough I must concede I'm no expert.

His apparent fitness issues could be diabetes or could be a young player taking longer to build a tank. The big fellas generally take longer anyway, some players take 3 years some take 5.

His concussions, I accept that diabetes may make him more susceptible however, Angus Brayshaw (Melbs No.3 pick same draft) has had more issues with concussion than Paddy. Having seen most of the incidents Paddy was concussed in, in a number of them it really was a case of Paddy being too brave and hitting contests too hard for his own good. Perhaps the diabetes delays recovery from concussions? Is that such a disaster? Imagine Riewoldt in his earlier years if we had the stringent concussion protocols we have now.

I know that the diabetes cannot be just dismissed and I would expect that the Club did extensive due diligance and then again for good measure, in regard to Paddy's medical issues. I would expect that the outcome of such due diligance indicated that there was no reasonable risk of the diabetes impacting on his performance. If that has not occurred, then we should be worried. I do not accept that the decision was one person's and am confident we are not been run by d*ckheads as we have been in the past.

No doubt that people with Diabetes face huge hurdles and even limitations. No doubt that most of them could never be elite athletes. However, some people are just plain extraordinary. I don't think anyone can dispute that Paddy was in the least, one of the best 10 players in the most elite Under 18 competition. That in itself is extraordinary. Sure the bar is higher in the AFL, but generally he has demonstrated that he's too good for the VFL and he far from just scrapped in at elite junior level.

I backed Billings and I'm backing this kid. Give him another 20 games and watch him go.


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Post: # 1677609Post White Winmar »

That's a fair cop, guv. I hope you're right. Billings will be a gun. Paddy's physical issues, not his ability, is my concern.


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Re: Judd sinks the boots into saints...

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White Winmar wrote:
Linton Lodger wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that Petracca could very well not turn out to be as good as Billings (Pick 3), Gresham (Pick 17) and Acres (Pick 18)? I'm betting at least 2 of them will be better than Petracca, probably all 3.

This thread has gone on, yet no one has articulated where we'd now find a key forward if we had taken Petracca instead of Paddy.

By the way here's a list of AFL players with Type 1 Diabetes:

Australian rules football

Nathan Bassett, Adelaide, type 1.
Jamie Cripps, St Kilda and West Coast, type 1.
Jack Fitzpatrick, Melbourne, Hawthorn type 1.
Brandon Jack, Sydney, type 1.
Paddy McCartin, St Kilda, type 1.
Sam Reid, Western Bulldogs and Greater Western Sydney, type 1.
Dale Weightman, Richmond, type 1.

Sam Reid has been in good form for GWS displacing many high draft picks, Brandon Jack is a handy player and Dale Weightman didn't go too badly.
No champions in that lot. Weightman the exception. Played 30 years ago. Unknown how severe his diabetes was. Ridiculous gamble given it was pick one.
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Post: # 1677947Post Munga »

I thought the main issue with Petracca was he was an absolute tool?


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Linton Lodger wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that Petracca could very well not turn out to be as good as Billings (Pick 3), Gresham (Pick 17) and Acres (Pick 18)? I'm betting at least 2 of them will be better than Petracca, probably all 3.

This thread has gone on, yet no one has articulated where we'd now find a key forward if we had taken Petracca instead of Paddy.
First of all if we took Petracca and were looking for a key forward we could of had Weideman or Curnow in 2015 draft if we kept the pick or use Carlisle forward.
I'm sure if we didnt have Paddy and really wanted Sache our Hawthorn pick could be very handy.
Stewart just crossed from GWS to Essendon. We could have taken Wright over Mc Cartin.
There are a promising group opf talls in this years draft.
Not saying they are guns or better than Paddy, just responding that there are always options.

Lastly if you honestly think that all three of Billings, Gresh & Acres will be better than Petracca you are kidding yourself.
Seriously, take off the rose coloured glasses.
Billings is the only one that may get close but none will be in his range.

How about this?
McCartin & Goddard
OR
Petracca & Stanley


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Post: # 1677990Post takeaway »

Easy. McCartin & Goddard


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White Winmar wrote:
Linton Lodger wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that Petracca could very well not turn out to be as good as Billings (Pick 3), Gresham (Pick 17) and Acres (Pick 18)? I'm betting at least 2 of them will be better than Petracca, probably all 3.

This thread has gone on, yet no one has articulated where we'd now find a key forward if we had taken Petracca instead of Paddy.

By the way here's a list of AFL players with Type 1 Diabetes:

Australian rules football

Nathan Bassett, Adelaide, type 1.
Jamie Cripps, St Kilda and West Coast, type 1.
Jack Fitzpatrick, Melbourne, Hawthorn type 1.
Brandon Jack, Sydney, type 1.
Paddy McCartin, St Kilda, type 1.
Sam Reid, Western Bulldogs and Greater Western Sydney, type 1.
Dale Weightman, Richmond, type 1.

Sam Reid has been in good form for GWS displacing many high draft picks, Brandon Jack is a handy player and Dale Weightman didn't go too badly.
No champions in that lot. Weightman the exception. Played 30 years ago. Unknown how severe his diabetes was. Ridiculous gamble given it was pick one.
Having now seen that list..... Elshaugh needs to be shown door immediately


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saynta wrote: Tue 13 Jun 2017 2:51pm
SaintPav wrote:Judd is an arsehole.

Sniper.

Chicken wings.

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Post: # 1794828Post Teflon »

Myron Gaines wrote: Mon 12 Jun 2017 9:34pm Judd is just stating the obvious
He’s good at that and somehow re packaging it as original thought where he comes across as super smart...
We’ve lost on that draft for sure but Petracca loss ain’t a N Riewoldt loss so we move on


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I’m not sure why a two year old thread had to be bumped to put in an exclamation mark?


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Re: Judd sinks the boots into saints...

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Con Gorozidis wrote: Tue 13 Jun 2017 12:04am Surely this question remains an open question?
I don't think it will be fully decided for another 24 months.

Not sure how anyone can make any call on this with certainty. Anyone claiming they are 100% certain of the outcome is full of it.
Your 24 months are nearly up.
You have got 2 weeks.
What's the verdict ?
Or do you need the next two weeks.


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sunsaint wrote: Wed 29 May 2019 5:06pm
saynta wrote: Tue 13 Jun 2017 2:51pm
SaintPav wrote:Judd is an arsehole.

Sniper.

Chicken wings.

Filthy player, ordinary conceited bloke.
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You forgot eye gouger.


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kosifantutti wrote: Wed 29 May 2019 6:58pm I’m not sure why a two year old thread had to be bumped to put in an exclamation mark?
pretty obvious
one day you're the most repected astute genius running round
the next ? just read everything written before the exclamation mark


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sunsaint wrote: Thu 30 May 2019 3:28am
kosifantutti wrote: Wed 29 May 2019 6:58pm I’m not sure why a two year old thread had to be bumped to put in an exclamation mark?
pretty obvious
one day you're the most repected astute genius running round
the next ? just read everything written before the exclamation mark
I wouldn't say it was obvious, but I worked it out.

And I think he's being consistent. He said Judd is an arsehole, sniper, purveyor of the chicken wing. He just rates The Dud somewhere below that.


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kosifantutti wrote: Thu 30 May 2019 9:54am
sunsaint wrote: Thu 30 May 2019 3:28am
kosifantutti wrote: Wed 29 May 2019 6:58pm I’m not sure why a two year old thread had to be bumped to put in an exclamation mark?
pretty obvious
one day you're the most repected astute genius running round
the next ? just read everything written before the exclamation mark
I wouldn't say it was obvious, but I worked it out.

And I think he's being consistent. He said Judd is an arsehole, sniper, purveyor of the chicken wing. He just rates The Dud somewhere below that.
I love a good chicken wing...


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Post: # 1795029Post Dave McNamara »

ace wrote: Wed 29 May 2019 7:33pm
sunsaint wrote: Wed 29 May 2019 5:06pm
saynta wrote: Tue 13 Jun 2017 2:51pm
SaintPav wrote:Judd is an arsehole.

Sniper.

Chicken wings.

Filthy player, ordinary conceited bloke.
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You forgot eye gouger.
And collecting his 'promotional' payments without doing anything promotional.

And being gifted poker machines by Bruce Matheison... and being so embarrassed by that he tried to keep it quiet. :oops: Though he wasn't too embarrassed to take (gouge?) the cash from those who could least afford it. :evil:



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Post: # 1795040Post SAINT-LEE »

Judd is a legend on the field and apparently in his own mind.

No one gets to sh1t on the Saints except those who love them. Judd can bugger off.


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