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My Top 20 Current Player Rankings

Post: # 1674547Post Con Gorozidis »

This is how I currently rank our playing list. It is based on current form, past form and gut feel for the future.
It is how I precede with contract and salary cap negotiations. Anyone outside the top 20 I would only be giving minimum wage and short (1-2 year) contracts to.
  • 1. Steven
    2. Ross
    3. Newnes
    4. Riewoldt
    5. Carlisle
    6. Membrey
    7. Roberton
    8. Billings
    9. Webster
    10. Armitage
    11. Brown
    12. Geary
    13. Gresham
    14. Gilbert
    15. Acres
    16. Steele
    17. Montagna
    18. Bruce
    19. McCartin
    20. Hickey


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Post: # 1674550Post Spinner »

Great thread - this should be how salary is determined but problem is it constantly changes!!

I'd have Gilbert and Brown lower and Longer added around 15 or so. I've been super impressed with him even though he doesn't get a lot of love from others. Just a monster in the ruck, which is what I value from a ruckman. The rest of his game will come.

McKenzie is one who I think will be a great weapon for us. Developing and has a lot of tools.


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Post: # 1674552Post To the top »

On first glance, too high, and by far in some instances, are Membrey, Webster, Brown and Geary.

And too low are Acres and Hickey.


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Post: # 1674555Post Con Gorozidis »

To the top wrote:On first glance, too high, and by far in some instances, are Membrey, Webster, Brown and Geary.

And too low are Acres and Hickey.
I reckon Geary might struggle to get a game next year if Rice and White come on...

I could see a backline of

Webster Brown Rice
White Carlisle Roberton

Acres has plenty of upside and Hickey could rise in to the top 10 and it wouldnt surprise me in the least.
I think Membrey,, Webster and Brown have all been fairly reliable this year. I think we have really missed Webster the last two weeks.


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Post: # 1674599Post stonecold »

Gilbert way too low(would be top 5 in B/F this year), Longer should be in, Hickey out!!!!!


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Post: # 1674605Post saynta »

Con Gorozidis wrote:This is how I currently rank our playing list. It is based on current form, past form and gut feel for the future.
It is how I precede with contract and salary cap negotiations. Anyone outside the top 20 I would only be giving minimum wage and short (1-2 year) contracts to.
  • 1. Steven
    2. Ross
    3. Newnes
    4. Riewoldt
    5. Carlisle
    6. Membrey
    7. Roberton
    8. Billings
    9. Webster
    10. Armitage
    11. Brown
    12. Geary
    13. Gresham
    14. Gilbert
    15. Acres
    16. Steele
    17. Montagna
    18. Bruce
    19. McCartin
    20. Hickey
I would rank Geary at 5 and gilbert at 10. Brown at 15.


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Post: # 1674614Post To the top »

So you would have a guy who does not man up and on whom the opposition does not man up on because they want the ball in his hands at Number 5 in the Club?

There is our problem

Geary's position has to transition to White, McKenzie or Rice - and the quicker the better


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Post: # 1674615Post Zed »

It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.

If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.


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Re: My Top 20 Current Player Rankings

Post: # 1674619Post saintbob »

I'll have a go;

1 Steven
2 Ross
3 Riewoldt
4 Newnes
5 Carlisle
6 Roberton
7 Steele
8 Billings
9 Membrey
10 Acres
11 Gresham
12 Webster
13 Gilbert
14 Bruce
15 McCartin
16 Geary
17 Montagna
18 Brown
19 Sinclair
20 Hickey


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Post: # 1674627Post lintonstreet »

Con Gorozidis wrote:This is how I currently rank our playing list. It is based on current form, past form and gut feel for the future.
It is how I precede with contract and salary cap negotiations. Anyone outside the top 20 I would only be giving minimum wage and short (1-2 year) contracts to.
  • 1. Steven
    2. Ross
    3. Newnes
    4. Riewoldt
    5. Carlisle
    6. Membrey
    7. Roberton
    8. Billings
    9. Webster
    10. Armitage
    11. Brown
    12. Geary
    13. Gresham
    14. Gilbert
    15. Acres
    16. Steele
    17. Montagna
    18. Bruce
    19. McCartin
    20. Hickey
I seem to be the only Mav supporter in this forum.
Fortunately the coaching staff and playing group see Mav's contribution my way.
Guess his last two B&F finishes were a fluke.
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Re: My Top 20 Current Player Rankings

Post: # 1674629Post borderbarry »

On current form, and what else can you go by, Hickey should not be there, replace him with Longer. Gilbert should be in the top 10, and Roberton about 5.
On his form this year perhaps Bruce should not be in our top 20.


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Post: # 1674632Post To the top »

I will re-phrase it a little and list the 20 players on our CURRENT List who will be vital to St Kilda consistently challenging over future years:-

(NB: I have excluded our 3 veterans who remain vital to our 2017 season and, definitely in regards Gilbert at least, in 2018)

Steven
Carlisle
Billings
Mc Cartin
Acres
Freeman
Ross
Steele
Newnes
Dunstan
Armitage
Hickey
Gresham
Bruce
Roberton
White
Webster
Mc Kenzie
Goddard
Rice

We will be using First Round Drfat Picks and we will be trading so the List will change.

But, currently, our future is in the hands of these players.

So fit those names into side and see what you come up with - and where the holes are!!!


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Post: # 1674636Post stonecold »

Still no love for Big Bill, shocking!!!!!


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Post: # 1674637Post desertsaint »

Zed wrote:It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.

If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
and just two weeks ago some were suggesting our current list actually compares quite favourably.


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Post: # 1674646Post stonecold »

desertsaint wrote:
Zed wrote:It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.

If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
and just two weeks ago some were suggesting our current list actually compares quite favourably.
Fickle posters?????


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Post: # 1674652Post To the top »

There is a very basic assumption at work, that being we have to purge players the OPPOSITION wants to see the ball in the hands of.


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Post: # 1674674Post Zed »

desertsaint wrote:
Zed wrote:It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.

If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
and just two weeks ago some were suggesting our current list actually compares quite favourably.
If I recall , it was more in reference to the bottom half, say players 12-22 on the current list stacked up favourably. You could argue a case potentially for that.


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Post: # 1674677Post White Winmar »

What about 2004? If we had this twenty, the premiership would be ours. How we didn't win in 2004 still bothers me more than 2009. Check out this 20.

Riewoldt
Harvey
Hayes
DalSanto
Jones
Koschitzke
Ball
Gehrig
Milne
Hamill
Montagna
Goddard
Black
Hudghton
Penny
McGuire
Guerra
Voss
Powell
Lawrence

That's without a ruckman! How did we not win?!


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Post: # 1674696Post Winmar »

Wow that 2004 list is light years ahead of the current one. Here's hoping the players will develop sufficiently to rival that list by 2019 or so.


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Post: # 1674698Post Impatient Sainter »

1. Steven
2. Roberton
3. Newnes
4. Ross
5. Reiwoldt
6. Carlisle
7. Membrey
8. Webster
9. Bruce
10. Acres
11. Billings
12. Geary
13. Brown
14. Longer
15. Gilbert
16. Gresham
17. Montagna
18. Armitage
19. Hickey
20. McCartin

Forgot Steele @ 10 with Acres.
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Post: # 1674713Post White Winmar »

Steven
Ross
Newnes
Riewoldt
Carlisle
Roberton
Billings
Acres
Steele
Hickey
Gresham
Membrey
Bruce
Stevens
Webster
Geary
Montagna
McCartin
Brown
Gilbert


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Post: # 1674716Post Con Gorozidis »

I have always believed that if Penny stayed fit we would have won in 04.
The guy was an absolute gun. Top shelf. Was a huge blow losing him. Totally under rated player.


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Post: # 1674717Post stonecold »

Con Gorozidis wrote:I have always believed that if Penny stayed fit we would have won in 04.
The guy was an absolute gun. Top shelf. Was a huge blow losing him. Totally under rated player.
Yeah indeed ConnyBoy, Luke was a jet, just let down by he's body!!!!!


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Post: # 1674730Post dragit »

AFL league rankings going from their past 40 games

12 Jack Steven
57 Sebastian Ross
88 David Armitage
95 Leigh Montagna
112 Jack Newnes
132 Nick Riewoldt
150 Shane Savage
155 Tom Hickey
158 Sam Gilbert
162 Dylan Roberton
165 Maverick Weller
187 Luke Dunstan
201 Tim Membrey
213 Jarryn Geary
240 Blake Acres
255 Jade Gresham
- 261 Sean Dempster
264 Jack Steele
277 Jack Billings
300 Josh Bruce
311 Nathan J. Brown


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Post: # 1674732Post dragit »

Con Gorozidis wrote:I reckon Geary might struggle to get a game next year if Rice and White come on...
Next year? They have one game between them at this stage and Geary is the captain and finishing top 5 in the B&F consistently as it sits.


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