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Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby meher baba » Sat 20 May 2017 11:56am

St Kilda has been portrayed as evil incarnate in the press throughout the week.

I have observed in the past that, when an AFL team is under a barrage of media criticism, this can coincide with one or more matches in which there are lopsided free kick counts against them, with every 50/50 call seeming to go the way of their opponents.

I won't be surprised to see Buddy and Reid score bags of goals from a succession of questionable free kicks, especially against Carlisle.

I'll return to this topic after the game.
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Postby The Fireman » Sat 20 May 2017 12:02pm

the swines always the get the rub of the green.

the thing I worry about is that almost always there seems to be something controversial after a saints game ...what will it be this week ?

PS in all honesty I was going to post this question before the carlton game...seriously.
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Postby meher baba » Sat 20 May 2017 12:13pm

The Fireman wrote:the swines always the get the rub of the green.


They tend to do better in Sydney than in Melbourne. They used to get a lot of unjust free kicks for holding the ball by encouraging the crowd to scream at the umps. In the last couple of years, the umps have been far less inclined to play frees for holding the ball: indeed, I would suggest they've gone too far the other way.

AFL is the greatest game on earth IMO, but we do have a great deal of trouble with the rules and how they are interpreted. Watching last night's game, I started to think that - if the umps are going to keep letting so many blatant throws go unpunished - then the game is going to be transformed into something more like rugby. On a couple of occasions, I saw something like a ruck form, with the ball then being dropped and paddled/kicked out the back into the clear: this sort of thing is entirely outside the rules as I understand them.

I have also noticed this year that we are seeing instances of one player simply handing the ball to another and not being penalised. Perhaps we'll start to see rugby mauls soon as well!!
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby meher baba » Sat 20 May 2017 12:17pm

Oh, I forgot to say that the merciless punishment of the "deliberate" kick to the sidelines suddenly seems to be off the agenda again!

For a highly lucrative professional sport, this sort of stuff is beyond amateurish.
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby Joffa Burns » Sat 20 May 2017 12:31pm

And the persecution complex continues.

Next we'll have statements about umpires who are instructed to cheat at the bequest of the corrupt AFL officials.
Not to mention the media, ex players and expert commentators who all have it in for us Saints.

Why is there an agenda against us?
Why do all of the power brokers in the AFL use their position against us?

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Postby WellardSaint » Sat 20 May 2017 12:32pm

Matt Stevic is on today.
I searched his name here, and on about 2 -3 posts he was called a 'cheat' and 'vile',
I wonder if he'll crucify us.
The other 2 maggots I don't know about.
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Postby Joffa Burns » Sat 20 May 2017 12:47pm

WellardSaint wrote:Matt Stevic is on today.
I searched his name here, and on about 2 -3 posts he was called a 'cheat' and 'vile',
I wonder if he'll crucify us.
The other 2 maggots I don't know about.


Who does that say more about, the poster or the umpires?
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Postby saintspremiers » Sat 20 May 2017 12:49pm

CURLY???
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby WellardSaint » Sat 20 May 2017 12:54pm

Joffa Burns wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Matt Stevic is on today.
I searched his name here, and on about 2 -3 posts he was called a 'cheat' and 'vile',
I wonder if he'll crucify us.
The other 2 maggots I don't know about.


Who does that say more about, the poster or the umpires?

The umpires that I have not heard of, obviously haven't caused enough grief
to be notable.

But Stevic is a person who has a certain fixed mindset and judges things against us
in a biased way, based on past history.
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Postby kosifantutti » Sat 20 May 2017 1:03pm

This will be an interesting study in confirmation bias.
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Postby satchmo » Sat 20 May 2017 1:30pm

kosifantutti wrote:This will be an interesting study in confirmation bias.


That's it...confirmation bias. A popular method of adjudicating free kicks.
*Allegedly.

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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby The Fireman » Sat 20 May 2017 1:50pm

meher baba wrote:Oh, I forgot to say that the merciless punishment of the "deliberate" kick to the sidelines suddenly seems to be off the agenda again!

For a highly lucrative professional sport, this sort of stuff is beyond amateurish.

totally agree with what you have said but would like to add that the game is so quick sometimes the only way to pick up a throw is on slow mo replay.
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby meher baba » Sat 20 May 2017 1:57pm

In response, let me be clear that I'm usually one of the last posters to bag the umps. It's a tremendously difficult job and I greatly admire most of them (a couple of them are wankers, as you will find with people in any walk of life). Any biases they demonstrate are largely unconscious IMO.

But, when everyone in the AFL world is stomping on a team, it seems to be the case that the umps give them a serve too. It's undoubtedly a form of unconscious bias: eg, if you're inclined to see Jake Carlisle as a bad egg, you might be a little harsher on him if his opponent falls over in a marking contest.

I don't think it's a conspiracy: I'm happy to leave that sort of talk to other posters.
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby The Fireman » Sat 20 May 2017 2:10pm

if you were an ump you would most likely to have loved footy from an early age and would have had a fav team....how hard would it be to be impartial when adjudicating ? or if you really hated a team.....If i was an ump the Skunks would want to hope I didn't umpire them
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Postby meher baba » Sat 20 May 2017 2:16pm

The Fireman wrote:if you were an ump you would most likely to have loved footy from an early age and would have had a fav team....how hard would it be to be impartial when adjudicating ? or if you really hated a team.....If i was an ump the Skunks would want to hope I didn't umpire them


True professionals psych themselves into thinking of "team black" and "team red" rather than the actual teams.

Of course the AFL has made this much harder for umps by directing them to address the players by their first names.

Unprofessional BS IMO.
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby WellardSaint » Sat 20 May 2017 2:32pm

satchmo wrote:
kosifantutti wrote:This will be an interesting study in confirmation bias.


That's it...confirmation bias. A popular method of adjudicating free kicks.


I seem to recall that Lindsay Thomas of Norf got bad treatment from umps, according to their coach,
or was an umpire overheard telling him "we are onto you, you always duck"
Which was it?
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby The Fireman » Sat 20 May 2017 2:51pm

meher baba wrote:
The Fireman wrote:if you were an ump you would most likely to have loved footy from an early age and would have had a fav team....how hard would it be to be impartial when adjudicating ? or if you really hated a team.....If i was an ump the Skunks would want to hope I didn't umpire them


True professionals psych themselves into thinking of "team black" and "team red" rather than the actual teams.

Of course the AFL has made this much harder for umps by directing them to address the players by their first names.

Unprofessional BS IMO.

what if they are not true professionals ?
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby BigMart » Sat 20 May 2017 3:18pm

They are f***ing horrendous

A game that is impossible to umpire properly anyway... more interpretations than rules
It's a joke
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby WellardSaint » Sat 20 May 2017 3:21pm

BigMart wrote:They are f***ing horrendous

A game that is impossible to umpire properly anyway... more interpretations than rules
It's a joke


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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby ChrisRyanSaints » Sat 20 May 2017 3:40pm

5 decisions that shoulve hone our way in this 1/4
NO f****** WORDS

BUT ALSO we suk GILBERT IS OUR BEST PLAYER FFS. Thats how s*** WE ARE!!!
Mccartin for brice was a joke!!!

B GRADERS. Thats all we are
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby ChrisRyanSaints » Sat 20 May 2017 3:42pm

Ffs why is the roof not on??

f****** WELLER BIG HERO PASS IT YA FLOG!!!
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby ChrisRyanSaints » Sat 20 May 2017 3:48pm

IF YOU THROW THE BALL WHY ISNT THAT A FREE??
Just cause ya going for a bounce??
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby suss » Sat 20 May 2017 3:53pm

Yes, getting reamed. Unsurprising.
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Re: Umpire watch: will we cop it today?

Postby jonesy » Sat 20 May 2017 4:00pm

Resounding yes, close thread
Bring back the Lockett era
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