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Re: Team v Cats

Postby spert » Fri 21 Apr 2017 9:40am

kosifantutti wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:If you have 2 superior ruckman you play them both. You don't play your full forward as the relief ruckman. If they want to manage Hickey better then you don't flog him every game. You get in another ruckman to help him out.
Longer can at least jump and catch it. Brucey is over whelmed in the centre square and Holmesy is not up to AFL yet.

Longer can't catch it.

Can't remember seeing Billy grab any strong marks on a regular basis- big body, but that's about it.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby magnifisaint » Fri 21 Apr 2017 9:43am

kosifantutti wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:If you have 2 superior ruckman you play them both. You don't play your full forward as the relief ruckman. If they want to manage Hickey better then you don't flog him every game. You get in another ruckman to help him out.
Longer can at least jump and catch it. Brucey is over whelmed in the centre square and Holmesy is not up to AFL yet.

Longer can't catch it.

He can one or two times. Hopefully he does OK this week. I reckon he knows he's on notice
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby saintsRrising » Fri 21 Apr 2017 10:32am

Kruezer and Pruess both being rested/managed this week...
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Mr Magic » Fri 21 Apr 2017 11:18am

saintsRrising wrote:Kruezer and Pruess both being rested/managed this week...


it must be BS.
All those 'in the know' seem to think that 'resting' or 'managed' is just an excuse for 'being dropped'.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby ace » Fri 21 Apr 2017 11:20am

Mr Magic wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:Kruezer and Pruess both being rested/managed this week...


it must be BS.
All those 'in the know' seem to think that 'resting' or 'managed' is just an excuse for 'being dropped'.


But Hickey is not selected for Sandringham either.
He is being "rested".
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby To the top » Fri 21 Apr 2017 12:10pm

Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.

He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.

The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.

IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.

The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Saint wagga » Fri 21 Apr 2017 1:07pm

To the top wrote:Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.

He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.

The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.

IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.

The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.


What I'd like to see is that Longer has improved his physical ruckwork and effective follow up work...I don't expect him to rack up Hickey like numbers for posi's or even marks (but gee it'd be good if he did)...but people go on about his big frame and bullying other rucks and creating space...but seriously...if you go back over his 2015 footage , he isn't overly strong in the contest, he's no Mumford and even when he contested his followup work, it so very rarely ended up being to advantage, just lots of arms and legs flailing all over the place with no real prupose.

So what i'm really hoping to see and surely why he has been picked is to see how far is ruck and clearance work has progressed at AFL level and to see if he can have an impact on the game by having an impact around stoppages.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby shrodes » Fri 21 Apr 2017 2:34pm

magnifisaint wrote:
kosifantutti wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:If you have 2 superior ruckman you play them both. You don't play your full forward as the relief ruckman. If they want to manage Hickey better then you don't flog him every game. You get in another ruckman to help him out.
Longer can at least jump and catch it. Brucey is over whelmed in the centre square and Holmesy is not up to AFL yet.

Longer can't catch it.

He can one or two times. Hopefully he does OK this week. I reckon he knows he's on notice


And handball to a teammate a couple of metres off the mark. Every time. Hickey can at least have a kick.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Bernard Shakey » Fri 21 Apr 2017 2:39pm

Saint wagga wrote:
To the top wrote:Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.

He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.

The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.

IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.

The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.


What I'd like to see is that Longer has improved his physical ruckwork and effective follow up work...I don't expect him to rack up Hickey like numbers for posi's or even marks (but gee it'd be good if he did)...but people go on about his big frame and bullying other rucks and creating space...but seriously...if you go back over his 2015 footage , he isn't overly strong in the contest, he's no Mumford and even when he contested his followup work, it so very rarely ended up being to advantage, just lots of arms and legs flailing all over the place with no real prupose.

So what i'm really hoping to see and surely why he has been picked is to see how far is ruck and clearance work has progressed at AFL level and to see if he can have an impact on the game by having an impact around stoppages.


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Re: Team v Cats

Postby kosifantutti » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:00pm

StK v Geel
Int; Dunstan, Acres, Gilbert, Minchington.
Em; Savage, Lonie, Stevens.
Steven, Longer, Minchington for Armitage, Hickey, Lonie.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby saynta » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:08pm

kosifantutti wrote:StK v Geel
Int; Dunstan, Acres, Gilbert, Minchington.
Em; Savage, Lonie, Stevens.
Steven, Longer, Minchington for Armitage, Hickey, Lonie.



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Re: Team v Cats

Postby ace » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:12pm

Minchington IN for Lonie OUT
Ben Long retains his place ahead of Lonie.
Shane Savage and Koby Stevens miss out.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Impatient Sainter » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:17pm

What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby longtimesaint » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:22pm

Impatient Sainter wrote:What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!

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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Playon » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:26pm

Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.

But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )

And Jacks back :)
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Zed » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:34pm

Dunstan saved by Armo not playing I reckon.

I suspect Long will go back to Sandy after this week. Give him a taste then send him back with things to work on. Or he could have a great game and just never lose his spot !
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Con Gorozidis » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:51pm

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Re: Team v Cats

Postby Con Gorozidis » Fri 21 Apr 2017 6:59pm

Impatient Sainter wrote:What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!

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Re: Team v Cats

Postby ChrisRyanSaints » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:05pm

How pissed iff will Lonie be?
We will lose lonie sinclair or minchington and you can bet ya bottom dollar theyll become guns
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby millarsaint » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:20pm

Bernard Shakey wrote:
Saint wagga wrote:
To the top wrote:Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.

He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.

The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.

IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.

The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.


What I'd like to see is that Longer has improved his physical ruckwork and effective follow up work...I don't expect him to rack up Hickey like numbers for posi's or even marks (but gee it'd be good if he did)...but people go on about his big frame and bullying other rucks and creating space...but seriously...if you go back over his 2015 footage , he isn't overly strong in the contest, he's no Mumford and even when he contested his followup work, it so very rarely ended up being to advantage, just lots of arms and legs flailing all over the place with no real prupose.

So what i'm really hoping to see and surely why he has been picked is to see how far is ruck and clearance work has progressed at AFL level and to see if he can have an impact on the game by having an impact around stoppages.


He's a much bigger boy now!


We stood behind bench at VFL last week for a smidge and Bill was resting and my wife commented on just how huge his shoulders are, and I was thinking the exact same thing. Massive. And fwiw I thought he toiled well last week despite many negative knocks.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby WellardSaint » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:30pm

Playon wrote:Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.

But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )

And Jacks back :)

Coach of Sandy Zebs, no less, said of Koby 2 weeks ago:
" I can see why we went so hard to grab him, he's well above VFL level"

Dunstan should be "managed" or "rested" or whatever, but hell, give Koby a crack.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby dragit » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:34pm

ChrisRyanSaints wrote:How pissed iff will Lonie be?
We will lose lonie sinclair or minchington and you can bet ya bottom dollar theyll become guns

I thought Lonie was pretty fortunate to be in the side in front of Minchington in the first place as he hadn't shown a lot in the pre-season. He hasn't been bad in his 4 games this year, missing a few goals probably hasn't helped his cause when you get so few opportunities as a small forward.

With two games in a row with no goals I like that they are rewarding Minch's form in the VFL.

Lonie, Sinclair & Minch's biggest problem is Gresham being so good, as there's barely room for another small forward outside of him really. Ideally we have quality mids resting in the forward line but we are a couple short at the moment.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby borderbarry » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:40pm

I just hope that original Jack is over his punctured lung. The team looks better than last week though.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby WellardSaint » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:43pm

dragit wrote:
ChrisRyanSaints wrote:How pissed iff will Lonie be?
We will lose lonie sinclair or minchington and you can bet ya bottom dollar theyll become guns

I thought Lonie was pretty fortunate to be in the side in front of Minchington in the first place as he hadn't shown a lot in the pre-season. He hasn't been bad in his 4 games this year, missing a few goals probably hasn't helped his cause when you get so few opportunities as a small forward.

With two games in a row with no goals I like that they are rewarding Minch's form in the VFL.

Lonie, Sinclair & Minch's biggest problem is Gresham being so good, as there's barely room for another small forward outside of him really. Ideally we have quality mids resting in the forward line but we are a couple short at the moment.


I agree with the drag-man.
If Lonie kicked more goals, he may have been safer.
This year 3 goals 5, and in 2015 he kicked 12 G 17 B.
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Re: Team v Cats

Postby SAAD » Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:50pm

Dunstan needs to lift this week. Koby Stevens coming for his spot if he doesn't perform. However he does do a lot of blocking so maybe he can put them on for Jack Stevens.
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