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Postby stonecold » Wed 19 Apr 2017 11:34am

In talks with Club to play on next year.....Apparently?????
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Postby saintsRrising » Wed 19 Apr 2017 12:48pm

Roo has been stating publicly for a while that he wants to play on in 2018.


ie When he injured his knee recently he stated that initially that thoughts of his career being over and not being able to play on in 2018 as intended flashed through his mind.
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Postby St Chris » Wed 19 Apr 2017 12:57pm

It was mentioned during the commentary last week - that talks had begun.

I imagine the "talks" wouldn't take long.....

Ameet: Hey Nick, wanna play next year?
Nick: Yep.
Ameet: Same as this year then?
Nick: Yep.
Ameet: All done, thanks for stopping by. Same time next year?
Nick: Yep.
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Postby SaintPav » Wed 19 Apr 2017 1:15pm

Am I completely off the mark by saying that he is playing just as well as he ever was?
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Postby stonecold » Wed 19 Apr 2017 2:04pm

SaintPav wrote:Am I completely off the mark by saying that he is playing just as well as he ever was?



I think that's a pretty comment, maybe, not quite at as good as his best years, but, Geez, not far away!!!!!
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Postby St Chris » Wed 19 Apr 2017 2:22pm

He's playing an easier position now - on the wing, drifting forward with a mismatch.

Much easier than being double or triple teamed inside 50.

He was a warrior to play KPF for so long, now he's using the skills he has (footy smarts, his endurance etc) to excel further up the ground.
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Postby White Winmar » Wed 19 Apr 2017 3:11pm

SaintPav wrote:Am I completely off the mark by saying that he is playing just as well as he ever was?

Bullseye. I look forward to him winning the Norm Smith in 2018. He'll also be the first father in the AFL to play a senior game with his son. It's only 16 years away. By that time he'll probably be playing as a spare man across half back, but will still be racking up the marks and kicks. Btw, does anyone know if he's broken Dempsey's all time record for marks yet?
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Postby st.byron » Wed 19 Apr 2017 3:58pm

All being well will put him in 350+ games territory.

Only 15 players in the history of the game have reached that mark. Bernie Quinlan the only other KP forward.
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Postby Proph3t of egan » Wed 19 Apr 2017 4:06pm

White Winmar wrote:
SaintPav wrote:Am I completely off the mark by saying that he is playing just as well as he ever was?

Bullseye. I look forward to him winning the Norm Smith in 2018. He'll also be the first father in the AFL to play a senior game with his son. It's only 16 years away. By that time he'll probably be playing as a spare man across half back, but will still be racking up the marks and kicks. Btw, does anyone know if he's broken Dempsey's all time record for marks yet?

57 more marks, so in about 5-6 games
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Postby mr six o'clock » Wed 19 Apr 2017 5:57pm

Proph3t of egan wrote:
White Winmar wrote:
SaintPav wrote:Am I completely off the mark by saying that he is playing just as well as he ever was?

Bullseye. I look forward to him winning the Norm Smith in 2018. He'll also be the first father in the AFL to play a senior game with his son. It's only 16 years away. By that time he'll probably be playing as a spare man across half back, but will still be racking up the marks and kicks. Btw, does anyone know if he's broken Dempsey's all time record for marks yet?

57 more marks, so in about 5-6 games


Yes , fingers crossed !
Also needs just 10 more contested marks to be the first person to break 1000 .
And 3 more goals to reach the 700 club .
Hopefully he can get them against the Cats on Sunday
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Postby saintspremiers » Wed 19 Apr 2017 6:40pm

He should play on until 2020 IMO. Long enough to win a flag.
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Postby chook23 » Wed 19 Apr 2017 8:20pm

Only 56 marks behind record holder Gary Dempsey....

Fantastic effort!!!
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Postby Sainternist » Wed 19 Apr 2017 8:33pm

I would assume Joey would be negotiating whether he'll be playing on next year as well.

For Rooey to surpass both Dempsey's record for most career marks and then reach the 350 game milestone would be quite a remarkable feat. We're lucky to witness such an incredible athlete play for St.Kilda all this time.
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Postby Bluthy » Wed 19 Apr 2017 9:02pm

I don't think the Roo dog should play on next year for the good of himself and the good of the club. Reasons:

- Will go out on top as a champ still playing great footy
- We have so many great young forwards to get games into and you can incl Battle and Marshall in that. They need a spot on the field to play
- He inhibits other young forwards as he cover so much ground. Similar problem Swans have with Buddy.
- Will force others to step up into a leadership role on and off the field
- I've always thought Roo was almost too determined to win games off his own boot. Maybe GT got that into him at a young age as GT seemed obsessed with Rooey. Someone should have said to him that its about him playing his defined role for the bigger picture of the team. By taking up so much space on the field, he is stopping other parts of the team working and become too one-dimensional
- Richo will ALWAYS be tempted to throw Rooey forward to win games - without Rooey Richo is forced to back youth and development them
- We already have a lot of talls - Hickey, Brown, Carlisle, Bruce, Paddy, MEmbers is semi-tall. What if we want to get Marshall or Battle or Pierece or Longer in? With Rooey he makes that hard as become are too tall and not agile enough to put the necessary pressure on
- Whilst Roo is a great target and marking unit playing that wing role, he lacks the speed and agility you want from wingers. He is possibly stopping Dmac or White or Long playing that role and giving us great drive and brilliant kicking into the forward 50.
- Rooeys marking and competing in the air is great, but his kicking and pressure can be ordinary. We need more good kicking and agility on the ground. We can look too slow with Rooey in the midfield.
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Postby remboy » Wed 19 Apr 2017 9:19pm

He's still our best player so he should play on if he wants to. Unless anyone thinks we shoukd follow the Hawks example and trade him to another side for pick 70.
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Postby Bluthy » Wed 19 Apr 2017 9:28pm

remboy wrote:He's still our best player so he should play on if he wants to. Unless anyone thinks we shoukd follow the Hawks example and trade him to another side for pick 70.


The good of the club ALWAYS has to come first. Clubs have to make hard decisions about when its time to tap great players on the shoulder. Roo isn't excused from that. WE don't exactly have a stocked trophy cabinet. Time to be ruthless to develop the best team we can for the future for a proper tilt at a flag.I think Rooey inhibits development of other players. Time to move into a post-Rooey era - will be terrifying not to have him there to bail our ass out but also exciting to see who will step up.
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Postby remboy » Wed 19 Apr 2017 10:46pm

Bluthy wrote:
remboy wrote:He's still our best player so he should play on if he wants to. Unless anyone thinks we shoukd follow the Hawks example and trade him to another side for pick 70.


The good of the club ALWAYS has to come first. Clubs have to make hard decisions about when its time to tap great players on the shoulder. Roo isn't excused from that. WE don't exactly have a stocked trophy cabinet. Time to be ruthless to develop the best team we can for the future for a proper tilt at a flag.I think Rooey inhibits development of other players. Time to move into a post-Rooey era - will be terrifying not to have him there to bail our ass out but also exciting to see who will step up.


I don't disagree with that and if he was getting in the way of a younger player I'm sure he'll step aside. Personally, I think there's others who could go before him and he's still a valuable player. As you said though, maybe it would give give Richo the chance to point the finger at a few others and say 'it's your turn to put in'.
I would imagine that if Roo wants to go on and we say no he will have 17 clubs ringing his manager and I could not stand the tjpught of him playing anywhere else (not that I think he would).
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Postby citywest » Wed 19 Apr 2017 11:13pm

For the good of the team I hope he retires at the end of this year. This is his 17th year and his body is finished. But apart from that, the sooner St Kilda get used to playing without him the sooner we will the premiership. I know a lot of people are again going to call me a troll and ban the f***wit but I stick by what I am saying.
Abandoning Tassie, home games at Docklands and moving to Seaford are the 3 most catastrophic decisions the Saints have ever made. This has basically bankrupt our club. NZ is most probably our last chance to save our club. If we don't embrace it our club will be at the mercy of the AFL.

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Postby Vazelos » Wed 19 Apr 2017 11:21pm

You want to retire Nick Riewoldt on what premise?
His form? It's elite still.
His age? If we are in the premiership window soon and his form is elite why would you rid yourself of an elite player?
We let another Tasmanian go at the end of 1970 that cost us a flag.
His performances thus far have been outstanding so for mine he plays on in 2018.
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Postby citywest » Wed 19 Apr 2017 11:23pm

Vazelos wrote:You want to retire Nick Riewoldt on what premise?
His form? It's elite still.
His age? If we are in the premiership window soon and his form is elite why would you rid yourself of an elite player?
We let another Tasmanian go at the end of 1970 that cost us a flag.
His performances thus far have been outstanding so for mine he plays on in 2018.

I wanted Harvey to retire a year earlier than he did. Lo and behold, as soon as he retired we played in 3 grand finals in a row. :idea:
Abandoning Tassie, home games at Docklands and moving to Seaford are the 3 most catastrophic decisions the Saints have ever made. This has basically bankrupt our club. NZ is most probably our last chance to save our club. If we don't embrace it our club will be at the mercy of the AFL.

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Postby Con Gorozidis » Wed 19 Apr 2017 11:42pm

Absolute certainty to go on with current form
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Postby st.byron » Thu 20 Apr 2017 12:46am

citywest wrote:For the good of the team I hope he retires at the end of this year. This is his 17th year and his body is finished.


Citywest, you do post some things that appear to bear no relation to facts. The above for example. His body is finished? Have you watched him this year? On what basis do you say his body is finished?
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Postby citywest » Thu 20 Apr 2017 8:19am

st.byron wrote:
citywest wrote:For the good of the team I hope he retires at the end of this year. This is his 17th year and his body is finished.


Citywest, you do post some things that appear to bear no relation to facts. The above for example. His body is finished? Have you watched him this year? On what basis do you say his body is finished?

Both of his knees are ticking time bombs Byron.
Why did you ignore the rest of my post?????

But apart from that, the sooner St Kilda get used to playing without him the sooner we will the premiership. I know a lot of people are again going to call me a troll and ban the f***wit but I stick by what I am saying.


and also.....

I wanted Harvey to retire a year earlier than he did. Lo and behold, as soon as he retired we played in 3 grand finals in a row.
Abandoning Tassie, home games at Docklands and moving to Seaford are the 3 most catastrophic decisions the Saints have ever made. This has basically bankrupt our club. NZ is most probably our last chance to save our club. If we don't embrace it our club will be at the mercy of the AFL.

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Postby ace » Thu 20 Apr 2017 8:27am

remboy wrote:He's still our best player so he should play on if he wants to. Unless anyone thinks we shoukd follow the Hawks example and trade him to another side for pick 70.

Hawthorn traded out Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis to free up salary cap space for Mitchell mark 2 and O'Meara.
I hope Riewoldt and Montagna are both on absolute fortunes.
That would mean their retirements would create massive holes in our salary cap.
Holes that could be filled by importing multiple elite free agents.
Enough to not only replace Riewoldt and Montagna but also make a far greater contribution.
But we should do this more grace than Hawthorn - waiting until the players are ready to retire rather than trading them out.
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Postby james rose » Thu 20 Apr 2017 9:25am

citywest wrote:I wanted Harvey to retire a year earlier than he did. Lo and behold, as soon as he retired we played in 3 grand finals in a row.
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Strange argument.

What if we said, we wanted Harvey to play on another year or two. Lo and behold if he had of we would have won 3 flags.
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