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Last in 'Assists'

Postby Johnny Member » Tue 18 Apr 2017 5:54pm

We're last in 'Assists'.

Last year, we were 8th.



Discuss....
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Griggsy » Tue 18 Apr 2017 5:59pm

Nailing a set shot every once in a while wouldn't hurt.

Last in goal accuracy too I'd assume.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby longtimesaint » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:01pm

How are "assists" determined?
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby samoht » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:22pm

longtimesaint wrote:How are "assists" determined?


Maybe as goal assists and not as point assists?
Which might mean we're no.1 in point assists?
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Legendary » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:22pm

In order to qualify for an assist, the person receiving possession must convert it to a goal.

We haven't been converting many goals, so this doesn't exactly surprise.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Stephen Theodore » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:30pm

Legendary wrote:In order to qualify for an assist, the person receiving possession must convert it to a goal.

We haven't been converting many goals, so this doesn't exactly surprise.


Hardly surprising given the assist criteria above.

However should we find our goal radar I believe we will roll the cats next weekend
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Griggsy » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:31pm

On the bright side we are 2nd for marks inside 50!!!!!!! 2nd!!!!! right behind Adelaide. If only we could score like them.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby saintspremiers » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:43pm

Griggsy wrote:On the bright side we are 2nd for marks inside 50!!!!!!! 2nd!!!!! right behind Adelaide. If only we could score like them.


That's pleasing.

........or should I say "really positive"
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby dragit » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:47pm

So we have 49 goals but only 22 goal assists?

How does that even work, 25 goals from direct turnovers with no other player involved?

Adelaide have 77 goals from 56 "goal assists"

We've probably missed 20 or more easy goals which doesn't help the assist stat much.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby The_Merchant » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:50pm

I get assists being a worthwhile stat from an individual player point of view, but as a team stat isn't it pretty pointless? Except for goals from direct turnovers or from ruck contests, just about every goal would be from an assist.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby The_Merchant » Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:51pm

dragit wrote:So we have 49 goals but only 22 goal assists?

How does that even work, 25 goals from direct turnovers with no other player involved?

Adelaide have 77 goals from 56 "goal assists"

We've probably missed 20 or more easy goals which doesn't help the assist stat much.


Can you have two assists from one goal?
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Stephen Theodore » Tue 18 Apr 2017 7:10pm

Griggsy wrote:On the bright side we are 2nd for marks inside 50!!!!!!! 2nd!!!!! right behind Adelaide. If only we could score like them.


Agree, see my comments above
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby SaintPav » Tue 18 Apr 2017 7:24pm

Might have something to do with our poor execution and lack of skill.

We're also not bringing in the ball in as quickly and cleanly like a team such as Adelaide. This forces us to take wide shots etc.

Might also mean that we are relying too much on pressure and turovers in creating goals and looking for our big targets.

This makes us too predictable and easy to defend against.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby SaintPav » Tue 18 Apr 2017 7:31pm

Griggsy wrote:On the bright side we are 2nd for marks inside 50!!!!!!! 2nd!!!!! right behind Adelaide. If only we could score like them.


This could be viewed as a weakness as it makes us too predictable. We need more avenues to goal.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby dragit » Tue 18 Apr 2017 7:34pm

The_Merchant wrote:
dragit wrote:So we have 49 goals but only 22 goal assists?

How does that even work, 25 goals from direct turnovers with no other player involved?

Adelaide have 77 goals from 56 "goal assists"

We've probably missed 20 or more easy goals which doesn't help the assist stat much.


Can you have two assists from one goal?

I don't think so, I think that would be considered a 'score involvement' which counts players in a chain leading to a score.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Playon » Tue 18 Apr 2017 7:44pm

dragit wrote:So we have 49 goals but only 22 goal assists?

How does that even work, 25 goals from direct turnovers with no other player involved?

Adelaide have 77 goals from 56 "goal assists"

We've probably missed 20 or more easy goals which doesn't help the assist stat much.


A goal assist is where player 2 gives player 1 a clear advantage where player 1 scores a goal. player 2 is given the goal assist stat

Goals could also result in a contested possession, a turnover, a clearance, a mark etc where there's no clear advantage given by any player. No goal assist stat
In other words the goal kicker wins their own ball
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Bluthy » Sat 22 Apr 2017 12:26pm

Maybe it indicates that we are not moving the ball as quickly and cleanly as last year. Teams have turned our pressure back on ourselves with hard presses, and we don't have the really skillful, creative players to deal with it and keep moving it cleanly in possession.

But for me it also shows how much we struggle to get it into the 50 with accuracy. We often bomb it on the top of our forwards heads. We lack those good kickers to pinpoint targets. Our goals tend to be a bit of scramble. Could explain all our points too - we are not getting the nice, crisp working towards goal but do it the hard way, working hard, giving rubbery legs and shooting from odd angles.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Johnny Member » Sat 22 Apr 2017 1:03pm

Bluthy wrote:
But for me it also shows how much we struggle to get it into the 50 with accuracy. We often bomb it on the top of our forwards heads. We lack those good kickers to pinpoint targets. Our goals tend to be a bit of scramble. Could explain all our points too - we are not getting the nice, crisp working towards goal but do it the hard way, working hard, giving rubbery legs and shooting from odd angles.


Agree (particularly the bolded line).
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Johnny Member » Sat 22 Apr 2017 1:07pm

I suppose to be fair too - if we'd converted some of the misses, that may have bumped up the Assist count a bit.
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Con Gorozidis » Sat 22 Apr 2017 1:50pm

Does anyone have the stats for goals per disposal?
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Playon » Sat 22 Apr 2017 2:51pm

Divide the total possessions by the total goals kicked

1 Port Adelaide 1841 82
2 Carlton 1742 48
3 Gold Coast Suns 1675 60
4 Melbourne 1674 59
5 Collingwood 1629 41
6 Essendon 1626 53
7 Western Bulldogs 1603 53
8 West Coast Eagles 1602 60
9 Adelaide Crows 1582 77
10 GWS Giants 1547 69
11 Geelong Cats 1545 75
12 Hawthorn 1508 38
13 Fremantle 1503 47
14 North Melbourne 1489 52
15 St Kilda 1477 49
16 Sydney Swans 1437 46
17 Brisbane Lions 1430 48
18 Richmond 1424 62


Which gives you the goals per disposal

1 Port Adelaide 22.45
2 Carlton 36.29
3 Gold Coast Suns 27.91
4 Melbourne 28.37
5 Collingwood 39.73
6 Essendon 30.67
7 Western Bulldogs 30.24
8 West Coast Eagles 26.7
9 Adelaide Crows 20.54
10 GWS Giants 22.42
11 Geelong Cats 20.6
12 Hawthorn 39.68
13 Fremantle 31.97
14 North Melbourne 28.63
15 St Kilda 30.14
16 Sydney Swans 31.24
17 Brisbane Lions 29.79
18 Richmond 22.97
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Re: Last in 'Assists'

Postby Playon » Sat 22 Apr 2017 3:00pm

leaders most goals scored with least possessions or goals per disposal average

1 Adelaide Crows 20.54
2 Geelong Cats 20.6
3 GWS Giants 22.42
4 Port Adelaide 22.45
5 Richmond 22.97
6 West Coast Eagles 26.7
7 Gold Coast Suns 27.91
8 Melbourne 28.37
9 North Melbourne 28.63
10 Brisbane Lions 29.79
11 Western Bulldogs 30.24
12 St Kilda 30.14
13 Essendon 30.67
14 Sydney Swans 31.24
15 Fremantle 31.97
16 Carlton 36.29
17 Hawthorn 39.68
18 Collingwood 39.73
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