dragit wrote:Johnny Member wrote:No they didn't. The 'clanger' stat is misleading.
You referenced the clanger stat in the Billings thread to prove a point and now it's no good as a stat because it's misleading?
Dangerfield, the best player in the comp on the weekend had
9 kicks & 18 HB
Yet still only went at 63% with a 1:2 ratio
Goal % 0
12 kicks 4 HB @50%
0 goals 3 behinds
Pointing to Billings & Acres career averages at this stage is a pretty pointless exercise.
Dangerfield couldn't breathe yesterday after the first 5 minutes, and Martin played an ordinary game.
It's misleading in the sense that it 'under quotes' errors. It doesn't take into account wrong options, and is too black and white. So it's misleading in the positive sense. Kicking to a 2 on 1 contest in which your player manages to break even, when you could have kicked to a bloke on his own in the goal square (just for example) is a glaring blunder - but doesn't count as a Clanger.
dragit wrote:You've said from the beginning that you don't rate Billings kicking, which makes me wonder if you've ever played the game at all?
The way he kicks to where his team-mates should run is a gift and requires vision that very few players have.
Sure he's not nailing every kick and his goal kicking has been very disappointing but it will come with confidence and experience at the top level.
But that's a bit of a contradiction.
"Sure he's not nailing every kick and his goal kicking has been very disappointing"
How can you rate it when you also describe it as the above?
I'm not saying he won't improve, I'm just saying that I'm not seeing the definitive superstar traits that others are. In particular, his use of the ball and his work off the ball. And at this stage, the negatives far outweigh the positives in his game. Acres ditto.
dragit wrote:Acres will probably always have a few shanks… just like Fyfe, Dangerfield and Martin who take the game on and kick at full burst speed to force the ball into a scoring position from nothing.
Shanks happen. You wouldn't want to shank too many, but it happens when you get it 30 odd times every week. It's the basic errors that are the concern. It's definitely not to say it won't improve as time goes on - but it's also not to say that it definitely will improve. Hence me keeping my power dry in terms of declaring these guys superstars in the making.
Mis-kicking when bursting out of a clearance whilst under extreme pressure is one thing. Mis-kicking when unopposed is another.
If we're trying to make a case that high level of skill isn't important in football - then I'm in strong disagreement.
If we're trying to suggest that thus far, Acres has shown that he has a high level of skill then I'm also in strong disagreement.