Stars that were late bloomers

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Leo.J » Tue 11 Apr 2017 9:11pm

True Believer wrote:As far as I know, Billings just finished his first proper preseason, had a chunk of last year wrecked by injury, and is still just about old enough to start shaving.

Maybe we show some patience, yeah?

Oh, I forgot, he hasn't been an instant superstar (just add water) - yeah, let's take him out the back oval and give him a lead injection........


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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby ausfatcat » Tue 11 Apr 2017 9:40pm

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just a some quick ones I am sure I can think of more
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby White Winmar » Tue 11 Apr 2017 11:23pm

Leo.J wrote:
True Believer wrote:As far as I know, Billings just finished his first proper preseason, had a chunk of last year wrecked by injury, and is still just about old enough to start shaving.

Maybe we show some patience, yeah?

Oh, I forgot, he hasn't been an instant superstar (just add water) - yeah, let's take him out the back oval and give him a lead injection........


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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Wed 12 Apr 2017 8:48am

What is any of this suggesting

There are just as many players who can be listed that made immediate impact?

The comparisons are moot

They were all not Pick 1s

They were drafted into teams with different development systems or ladder positions

They all had different amounts of competitions for senior spots

They were not as well prepared in the junior system

They were all different sizes and played different positions
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BackFromUSA » Wed 12 Apr 2017 9:00am

BigMart wrote:What is any of this suggesting

There are just as many players who can be listed that made immediate impact?

The comparisons are moot

They were all not Pick 1s

They were drafted into teams with different development systems or ladder positions

They all had different amounts of competitions for senior spots

They were not as well prepared in the junior system

They were all different sizes and played different positions


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No disrespect but as ex-sportsperson to ex-sportsperson ... when were you at your peak? Had you reached your best when you entered senior competition from junior levels? For 99% of athletes, their peak comes in their mid 20s. Scientifically this is because the brain reaches full growth / maturity by the average age of 24 and in elite senior sport this coincides with peak fitness / body development. Yes - younger talented players will show flashes of brilliance but for 99% they lack week in week out brilliant consistency. The other 1% (cough Bontempelli etc) are freaks!
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby MC Gusto » Wed 12 Apr 2017 3:12pm

The point is writing off a player with 20 games to his name is beyond ridiculous
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Wed 12 Apr 2017 3:42pm

MC Gusto wrote:The point is writing off a player with 20 games to his name is beyond ridiculous


Too True and bloody well said!!!!!

Won't be long b4 the old Paddy Wacka will be eating humble pie and will move on to some other target, if there's any left that haven't been wacked already!!!!!
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Joffa Burns » Wed 12 Apr 2017 10:44pm

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby saint-stu » Wed 12 Apr 2017 10:55pm

How about we reserve judgement and name calling of kids until they've matured? (say 22/23)
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Thu 13 Apr 2017 12:39am

As a footballer I had two peaks

One period where I was physically in good condition, and so naive I didn't think, just played
19-21yo
Then after I got through a few injuries, understood my game better and got a lot stronger
27-32

I found similar in Cricket. I became comfortable with my game and understood it well at 27-32
As a late teen, I was carefree and played purely on instinct.

After 32 my injuries and general wear and tear slowed me down

A slip down in standard to a lower pace of game at 35+ has allowed me to keep playing
Mentally now I am possibly the strongest I've ever been, and very fresh - perhaps because I realise the end is nigh
But my body is struggling, even though I am in good shape, injuries have taken their toll.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Thu 13 Apr 2017 12:47am

Shannon Noll post!!!!!

What about me!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!


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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Thu 13 Apr 2017 12:58am

I was asked a question by BFUSA and answered it?...

What about me is correct?

Why are you so obsessed by me?

It's fun, reading your continual jibes, and I'll continue to do so, Mr National... but I won't take you at all seriously

Because you see,
I read your posts...
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Thu 13 Apr 2017 1:13am

BigMart wrote:I was asked a question by BFUSA and answered it?...

What about me is correct?

Why are you so obsessed by me?

It's fun, reading your continual jibes, and I'll continue to do so, Mr National... but I won't take you at all seriously

Because you see,
I read your posts...


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'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!


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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby st.byron » Thu 13 Apr 2017 1:15am

stonecold wrote:
BigMart wrote:I was asked a question by BFUSA and answered it?...

What about me is correct?

Why are you so obsessed by me?

It's fun, reading your continual jibes, and I'll continue to do so, Mr National... but I won't take you at all seriously

Because you see,
I read your posts...


Name your league legend, happy to take the challenge, PM to me!!!!!


Stonecold. Your next post in this ongoing dispute will draw a warning.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Thu 13 Apr 2017 1:22am

Fair enough, happy to wait for PM from the other party and deal with it from there!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!


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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Linton Lodger » Thu 13 Apr 2017 4:24pm

Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven


Indeed, it took him 5 or 6 seasons. Didn't Michael Tuck play close to 100 reserves games before making his debut?
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Linton Lodger » Thu 13 Apr 2017 4:32pm

Ablett (jnr) could qualify for this list. Was always regarded as a very good player but I don't think anyone imagined that he'd become one of the all time great midfielders and players (even emulating his father to an extent). He certainly wasn't Judd or The Bont. Yet in 2007, his 6th season, he went up to an incredible level.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Linton Lodger » Thu 13 Apr 2017 5:22pm

BigMart wrote:Look at the team they were in....

Were there spots?

were they skinny?

Danger found it hard season 1 - since he remained in Victoria at school... so season 2 was season 1

What about Kosi? Sam Mitchell? Rioli? Selwood? Paul Haselby, Josh Fraser and countless examples of the opposite

What was various clubs plans with Kids

Geelong 02 gave half the 07 AFL team an introductory VFL premiership

Sydney had the 4 year apprenticeship

Ross Lyon didn't trust anyone under 22

I still haven't written McCartin off
But I'm concerned about a few limiting factors, that will inhibit his output


Well you if you haven't written him off, stop stressing, you sound like the Prophet of Doom. Maybe you need to forget his draft position (and that of Billings) and judge them as kids that have barely played a seasons worth of games .

Even if they don't end up being the quality their draft position demands (I don't think that's inevitable, far from it). Gresham & Acres are probably going to be steals as late 1st rounders, we got Weller for nothing, Sinclair as a rookie, Bruce & Membrey for bugger all.

In our list build we have sorted out the bookends and KPP stocks, the hardest part. We have an abundance of ruckmen and good depth. Our list still has needs, in midfield and probably a running defender. We get an opportunity to meet those needs with a huge salary cap war chest and 2 first round picks next year.

Cheer up big fella.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Thu 13 Apr 2017 6:15pm

Actually talking off late developers, The G-Train fits that category, much like Paddy, abused by supporters(mainly at West Coast), but was a very late developer and proves his worth at the saints, just like Paddy will!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!


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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Thu 13 Apr 2017 8:35pm

stonecold wrote:Actually talking off late developers, The G-Train fits that category, much like Paddy, abused by supporters(mainly at West Coast), but was a very late developer and proves his worth at the saints, just like Paddy will!!!!!


He was All Australian aged 21
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Thu 13 Apr 2017 8:35pm

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby The Barometer » Thu 13 Apr 2017 8:47pm

What about that forward fisher we took at aged 21 at pick 50 odd. Didn't look that flash early on. Should not have persisted with him.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Thu 13 Apr 2017 8:52pm

Fisher looked great from his first VFL game which I watched... also the first game at Casey Fields

He played CHF and looked like an AFL player playing VFL straight away, he was a class above

Not bad from a guy who didn't play footy from 16-18 for 3 years to pursue golf

Two years with South Adelaide (I think a senior premiership) and into the AFL

Fish was a senior regular early ... in his third year he finished third in the b&f
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby The Barometer » Thu 13 Apr 2017 9:26pm

But what had he done at age 20 in the afl?
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

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