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Stars that were late bloomers

Postby MC Gusto » Mon 10 Apr 2017 5:55pm

Just a point here on how quick we are to right off our kids...

I am keen to understand when some of the current stars of the AFL really showed their wares. Obviously you have the bont and because of him we all get suckered in to thinking if you don't star from day 1 you never will. But there are a number of AFL guns that took a while to show their stuff. People talk about the 50 game rule...is it accurate?

Danger?
Fyfe?
Martin?
Watson?
Hawkins?
Kennedy?
etc

I am sure there are more...but these guys definitely weren't stars day 1 and i am pretty sure they werent 20 games / 50 games in?
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Mon 10 Apr 2017 6:17pm

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Mon 10 Apr 2017 6:52pm

Danger, Fyfe and Hawkins have unique physical characteristics.

Martin was a gun from day 1.
Fyfe dominated in his second season.
Watson = drug cheat

That only leaves Kennedy who was poor in his first three seasons but he was at Carlton so had an excuse and had to be de-programmed.
He kicked 31 goals in 16 games in his 4th season.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Leo.J » Mon 10 Apr 2017 7:04pm

Jack Steven
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Mon 10 Apr 2017 7:08pm

Look at the team they were in....

Were there spots?

were they skinny?

Danger found it hard season 1 - since he remained in Victoria at school... so season 2 was season 1

What about Kosi? Sam Mitchell? Rioli? Selwood? Paul Haselby, Josh Fraser and countless examples of the opposite

What was various clubs plans with Kids

Geelong 02 gave half the 07 AFL team an introductory VFL premiership

Sydney had the 4 year apprenticeship

Ross Lyon didn't trust anyone under 22

I still haven't written McCartin off
But I'm concerned about a few limiting factors, that will inhibit his output
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:12pm

Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven


He suffered severe OP early.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby magnifisaint » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:12pm

Tex Walker took about 3 yrs to hit his straps
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby White Winmar » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:16pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:
Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven


He suffered severe OP early.

He did indeed, Con and he was a bottom ager as well. Yes, OP. The condition known as Opposition to Playing him syndrome, brought to you by Ross Lyon.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby sainters85 » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:20pm

As much as I'd love Billings to become a star, how could he blossom into one when he can't kick further than 20m? Can't tackle, can't run, can't play unless he's got time and space. And he's in his third year
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby longtimesaint » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:25pm

sainters85 wrote:As much as I'd love Billings to become a star, how could he blossom into one when he can't kick further than 20m? Can't tackle, can't run, can't play unless he's got time and space. And he's in his third year

This is rubbish -watch the match against Bulldogs R5 2015 where he kicks a goal from the boundary outside 50!
Get your facts right.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Leo.J » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:30pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:
Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven


He suffered severe OP early.


Whatever the reason, it took him a while to get going.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:51pm

Leo.J wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:
Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven


He suffered severe OP early.


Whatever the reason, it took him a while to get going.


Reasons kind of matter.
That is the point of the discussion.

It may be poor form to write a youngster off - but the opposite end to that is to just assume they are going to be stars.
How about we have an adult discussion about individual attributes and what their chances of making it are?
Just because we can name a few late bloomers has zero relevance to whether JB and McCartin are any good.

I am sure we could all name some top 10 draft picks who never made it. But it is a silly game.

Daniel Gorringe
Billy Longer
Adam Sumner
Anthony Morabito
John Butcher
Andrew Moore
Ty Vickery
Jimmy Toumpas
Jon O Rourke
Kristian Jaksche

See that was easy.
But so what? It doesn't mean our players will be duds.
Same way naming guns won't make our boys guns.
It is just a list of random names.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Griggsy » Tue 11 Apr 2017 5:14am

Robbie gray took 8 years...ok, not even I am willing to wait that long
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby saintspremiers » Tue 11 Apr 2017 7:04am

longtimesaint wrote:
sainters85 wrote:As much as I'd love Billings to become a star, how could he blossom into one when he can't kick further than 20m? Can't tackle, can't run, can't play unless he's got time and space. And he's in his third year

This is rubbish -watch the match against Bulldogs R5 2015 where he kicks a goal from the boundary outside 50!
Get your facts right.


But now if he could kick it 40 most of us would me amazed.

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Tue 11 Apr 2017 8:39am

Robbie Gray took what?

8 years to win a second or third b&f?
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby samuraisaint » Tue 11 Apr 2017 8:49am

Peter Everitt - used to play in the reserves at Moorabbin (1992) and hit his straps in 1997.

Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Tue 11 Apr 2017 9:22am

Griggsy wrote:Robbie gray took 8 years...ok, not even I am willing to wait that long

He dominated his 3rd season.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Con Gorozidis » Tue 11 Apr 2017 9:23am

samuraisaint wrote:Peter Everitt - used to play in the reserves at Moorabbin (1992) and hit his straps in 1997.

Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby kosifantutti » Tue 11 Apr 2017 10:37am

samuraisaint wrote:Peter Everitt - used to play in the reserves at Moorabbin (1992) and hit his straps in 1997.

Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.

Spider was a star in his first year of seniors as an 18/19 year old.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Tue 11 Apr 2017 12:01pm

Ok, let's go the other way then, Mark McGough, gun early doors, went down hill from there, there's been many, more than one way to skin a cat people, have some faith!!!!!
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby True Believer » Tue 11 Apr 2017 1:42pm

As far as I know, Billings just finished his first proper preseason, had a chunk of last year wrecked by injury, and is still just about old enough to start shaving.

Maybe we show some patience, yeah?

Oh, I forgot, he hasn't been an instant superstar (just add water) - yeah, let's take him out the back oval and give him a lead injection........
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Griggsy » Tue 11 Apr 2017 3:06pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:
Griggsy wrote:Robbie gray took 8 years...ok, not even I am willing to wait that long

He dominated his 3rd season.

We only go by stats on this page so Grays 16d and 3t means dropped :P
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby BigMart » Tue 11 Apr 2017 4:37pm

They were both playing forward so I suppose 16 and 3 is similar to the 5 and 0 from Paddy?
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby stonecold » Tue 11 Apr 2017 4:43pm

BigMart wrote:They were both playing forward so I suppose 16 and 3 is similar to the 5 and 0 from Paddy?


You should change your user BigM, maybe Paddy Whacka would be more appropriate!!!!!

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Re: Stars that were late bloomers

Postby Griggsy » Tue 11 Apr 2017 4:51pm

BigMart wrote:They were both playing forward so I suppose 16 and 3 is similar to the 5 and 0 from Paddy?

lol chill out buddy, you're gonna burn out and we're only 3 rounds in.
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