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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Johnny Member » Mon 22 May 2017 6:19pm

Devilhead wrote:
Johnny Member wrote:
Devilhead wrote:
Against average sides in Perth and depleted sides in Melbourne

Saints have beaten some average sides as well and have lost some significant players during games yet ........ we are seemingly in trouble and Freo are cruising with a new remarkable game plan

By the way what is this new remarkable game plan of Lyon's that you are banging on about ?

Did I mention that they are 3rd last for shots on goal? Doesn't seem like any anything has changed there


I'm not banging on about anything.


:shock: :roll:



"remarkable"
"Freo are cruising"
"bangin on about"
"awesome game plan"

Bit over the top don't you think?


Since in reality, I've actually used words such as "It's not awesome, nor are they."

"But they're looking half-decent"
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Devilhead » Mon 22 May 2017 7:19pm

Johnny Member wrote:
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Devilhead wrote:
Against average sides in Perth and depleted sides in Melbourne

Saints have beaten some average sides as well and have lost some significant players during games yet ........ we are seemingly in trouble and Freo are cruising with a new remarkable game plan

By the way what is this new remarkable game plan of Lyon's that you are banging on about ?

Did I mention that they are 3rd last for shots on goal? Doesn't seem like any anything has changed there


I'm not banging on about anything.


:shock: :roll:



"remarkable"
"Freo are cruising"
"bangin on about"
"awesome game plan"

Bit over the top don't you think?


Since in reality, I've actually used words such as "It's not awesome, nor are they."

"But they're looking half-decent"


That would mean we are looking "half-decent" considering
- who we have played against who they have played
- taking into account player outs for opponents and also player outs for us and Freo
- home ground advantage
- points scored for and against and subsequent percentages

Anyway what is Freo's/Lyon's new game plan again?
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby whiskers3614 » Mon 22 May 2017 7:27pm

Just wish Eade would either win a flag or piss- off as he is delaying Lyon's ascension to his rightful place as the coach with the most games without a flag!

PS anybody who wants to back Freo to win a flag only needs to find the best odds commercially available and PM me for a 20% bonus on top.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Linton Lodger » Mon 22 May 2017 9:09pm

whiskers3614 wrote:Just wish Eade would either win a flag or piss- off as he is delaying Lyon's ascension to his rightful place as the coach with the most games without a flag!

PS anybody who wants to back Freo to win a flag only needs to find the best odds commercially available and PM me for a 20% bonus on top.


No one can see into the future, but I wouldn't bet against him winning a Premiership at Freo by the end of his contract.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Linton Lodger » Mon 22 May 2017 9:14pm

So why the bitterness towards one of our former Coaches?

Is it because he didn't stand for Nettlefold's amateur crap and reamed him?

Nettlefold and the Club deserved it. He took us to two successive Grand Finals and still they left him on a contract that they could terminate with 12 weeks notice. I'd deliver a big f**k you to them as well.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby thejiggingsaint » Mon 22 May 2017 9:16pm

The same was said about Blight during his time at Geelong (3 losing Grand Finals) i/e "he'll never win a flag"...... well we know how good THAT prediction went! I personally don't believe that Lyon's game plan can win a flag, based on the way the game is played now, however, would I put money on it? Not on your life! This IS AFL we're talking about!
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby whiskers3614 » Mon 22 May 2017 10:06pm

Linton Lodger wrote:So why the bitterness towards one of our former Coaches?

Is it because he didn't stand for Nettlefold's amateur crap and reamed him?

Nettlefold and the Club deserved it. He took us to two successive Grand Finals and still they left him on a contract that they could terminate with 12 weeks notice. I'd deliver a big f**k you to them as well.


Great effort to get us to the 2 GF's, but like Milne he choked on the big stage:

2009- Dempster forward,Ball splinters in his arse (22 possessions in 46% game time)whilst the next least game time apart from the rucks was Ray, Milne and Schneider none of whom covered themselves in glory on that day.
All topped off by the excuse that he "forgot" Ball on the bench,fair dinkum if you don't sack him for incompetence then you must for not being able to provide a more plausible excuse.

2010 Replay Eddy, McQualter, Baker and Peake playing including one of the above coming in injured and another (Baker)cooked whist Ball gathers a lazy 25 possessions and 7 clearances for the scum!

Long may he take Freo's money and continue to choke when it matters most!
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Scollop » Tue 23 May 2017 11:40am

Linton Lodger wrote:So why the bitterness towards one of our former Coaches?

He took us to two successive Grand Finals and ...


Whoa!! Stop right there. Bevo took the Dogs to the finals and they hadn't contended a finals series for probably 5 years.

When Lyon took over in late 2006, we'd just come off PRE-LIM finals in both 2004 and 2005. History tells you that teams who have lost prelims usually go the next step very soon afterwards. Yep!! Lyons mates in the media like Paul Roos and Robert Walls did a great job of pumping up their mate and perpetuating a myth that we didn't have a good team.

As far as Lyontologists are concerned their man will always be a great coach who nearly did it for St Kilda. For the rest us we know that he failed and missed one of the best opportunities I've ever seen for a team to realise their potential. What seriously used to aggrevate the hell out of me at the time, was that he passed the buck when it came to sharing responsibility for those losses.

Right now, I'm in the Blight camp on Lyon...I don't give a fat rats tossbag
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby magnifisaint » Tue 23 May 2017 11:45am

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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby samoht » Tue 23 May 2017 11:51am

The 0-10 coach of last year. Lyon had everyone scratching their heads and re-rating him downwards- and attributing his w/l record to the strong sides he's coached.

Good recruiting of Hill , etc..and the return of Fyfe and Sandi is the only thing that has turned things around for Freo- good recruiting and luck with injury; not Lyon - even he can't stuff it up.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Joffa Burns » Tue 23 May 2017 12:19pm

samoht wrote:The 0-10 coach of last year. Lyon had everyone scratching their heads and re-rating him downwards- and attributing his w/l record to the strong sides he's coached.

Good recruiting of Hill , etc..and the return of Fyfe and Sandi is the only thing that has turned things around for Freo- good recruiting and luck with injury; not Lyon - even he can't stuff it up.


Hi Grant, is that you?
What a ridiculous thing to write.

Ross is to blame for their 0-10 last year but gets no credit for their resurgence this year.
You can’t have it both ways thomas, I mean samoht!
I assume you blame Ross for recruiting Lovett to St Kilda but give him no credit for recruiting Hill to Freo, double standards?

Your hero was handed the keys to a Ferrari and couldn’t drive it to save himself.
He had the best list ever assembled by St Kilda and couldn’t make a GF let alone win one.

Ross took a list at St Kilda that most experts said had run its race and was ready to rebuild and too us to consecutive GF’s. Bad kicking in the 1st half cost us 2009, nothing more nothing less, but I guess you will blame that on Ross.

God I laugh at those on here who still see GT as the messiah!

How many clubs looked to recruit him as coach after he was sacked by St Kilda?
I guess he couldn’t get another coaching job as his best mate wasn’t President of any other club.

As Sheedy says, Ross Lyon is the smartest coach in the AFL as he has been able to negotiate the best contract.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby samoht » Tue 23 May 2017 12:53pm

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samoht wrote:The 0-10 coach of last year. Lyon had everyone scratching their heads and re-rating him downwards- and attributing his w/l record to the strong sides he's coached.

Good recruiting of Hill , etc..and the return of Fyfe and Sandi is the only thing that has turned things around for Freo- good recruiting and luck with injury; not Lyon - even he can't stuff it up.


Ross is to blame for their 0-10 last year but gets no credit for their resurgence this year.
You can’t have it both ways thomas, I mean samoht!
I assume you blame Ross for recruiting Lovett to St Kilda but give him no credit for recruiting Hill to Freo, double standards.

As Sheedy says, Ross Lyon is the smartest coach in the AFL as he has been able to negotiate the best contract.


I repeat ...
Ross coached Freo last year to 0-10 - lost the first 10 games and people re-rated him as a coach. This happened.
That's what happens when an average coach coaches an average team with a couple of its star players injured.

Freo has recruited well this year and its stars are back - so any coach would be getting at least as much out of them.
That's all I'm saying. Have a look at its midfield - is there a better midfield?
He's a coach who does well with strong teams - a fine weathered coach - no different or better than any other coach - maybe other coaches would have got more out of Freo last year. 0-10 had everyone shaking their heads.
Does a 0-10 result smack of a great coach - the side finished top of the ladder the previous year - he had a lot to work with!
19-0 was a reflection of how strong a side Lyon coached in2009 - and 0-10 last year was the flip side of that.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Johnny Member » Tue 23 May 2017 2:05pm

samoht wrote:The 0-10 coach of last year. Lyon had everyone scratching their heads and re-rating him downwards- and attributing his w/l record to the strong sides he's coached.

Good recruiting of Hill , etc..and the return of Fyfe and Sandi is the only thing that has turned things around for Freo- good recruiting and luck with injury; not Lyon - even he can't stuff it up.
If we had Freo's midfield and the outside run and carry of the Hills etc... we'd be a top 4 team!


He has shuffled the deck chairs a bit.

Mundy forward, Neal spending time forward, and Walters on the ball.

But yeah, all in all he is doing pretty much the same thing - but at least he is trying to different dudes to do it!
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Johnny Member » Tue 23 May 2017 2:09pm

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Your hero was handed the keys to a Ferrari and couldn’t drive it to save himself.
He had the best list ever assembled by St Kilda and couldn’t make a GF let alone win one.



I don't agree with that at all.


The spine were children:

Penny, Maguire, Knobel/Ackland, Roo, Kosi with Dal, Ball, X in the guts.

Obviously had some handy/very good 'middle-aged' guys, but realistically that list was never a contender until the bulk of it had played 50-100 games - which it hadn't.

Not to mention that most were never on the park.


Bit of a myth that one I think.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Joffa Burns » Tue 23 May 2017 4:45pm

Johnny Member wrote:
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Your hero was handed the keys to a Ferrari and couldn’t drive it to save himself.
He had the best list ever assembled by St Kilda and couldn’t make a GF let alone win one.



I don't agree with that at all.


The spine were children:

Penny, Maguire, Knobel/Ackland, Roo, Kosi with Dal, Ball, X in the guts.

Obviously had some handy/very good 'middle-aged' guys, but realistically that list was never a contender until the bulk of it had played 50-100 games - which it hadn't.

Not to mention that most were never on the park.


Bit of a myth that one I think.


The only myth is the cr@p you are peddling JM, you have no clue!

You know the club was playing before the 2000 and 2001 draft JM???

Penny, Max, Hamill, Gehrig (AA 2004), Reiwoldt (AA 2004, 2005), Peckett were children???
You mention GT's era but don't realise Gehrig & Hammil and Max were such a huge part of that era.

The great Robert Harvey (AA 2004, 2005 doesn't rate a mention), Hayes (captain in 2004 & AA in 2005 but doesnt rate a mention), Powell, Jones (AA 2004), Ball (AA 2005) Milne (FWD), Black, Guerra weren’t the back bone in 2004 and 2005??? Guerra off half forward and Powell were midfield enforcers.

He also had Bourke, Loewe and Everitt in his first 3 years at the club.
By end of 2005 Dal had played 70 games, Kossi 80 games, these were not kids.

BTW, X played half back then forward pocket, rarely played in the guts.

NO CLUE AT ALL!
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Devilhead » Tue 23 May 2017 5:11pm

Losing Penny, Maguire, Hamill, X Clarke and Ball to either career ending or long term injuries hurt us so so so badly - probably cost us 3 Premierships through that era :(
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby meher baba » Tue 23 May 2017 5:37pm

Goodness me, this old nonsense is still going on! We had a great list under GT in 2004-06 and it generally delivered. We almost got to the GF in 2004 when I don't think we were really ready (remembering that we were absolutely thrashed by the Lions in our first final). In 2005, we also got desperately close to the GF, even though Riewoldt was out for much of the season and we lost several key players at the end of the year. In 2006 we lost Lenny and Maguire with major leg injuries (neither of which would have been preventable by any sort of off-field injury management) and Kosi was criminally assaulted onfield, and then other injury problems emerged later in the season. We still made the finals and, if we hadn't had 2 points wrongly taken from us by the AFL, would have made the top 4.

I've read endless comments on this forum about GT having wasted his glorious chances. But, whether you consider him to have been a good, bad or indifferent coach, any fair assessment would be that the club was pretty unlucky over this period: without the loss of Hayes and Kosi and the 2 points in 2006, that could have been our winning year. Of course, there are some who want to blame GT personally for all our injuries over that period: I guess they are just looking for any excuse. An extreme case is that of Luke Ball, whose injury problems were apparently all GT's fault because he played him in too many games early on in his career (this sort of comment coming from some of the same posters who continually demand that the club "play the kids"!)

As for Lyon, he too had a pretty good list: good enough in 2009 for pretty good players in Armo and Gwilt to struggle to get a game at AFL level. Players such as Goddard, Montagna (who was never a regular first team player under GT), Sam Fisher and others really came into their own under Lyon. He was able to acquire Schneider and Dempster, who both added a lot. Sure, he used some mediocre players to perform the sorts of roles that mediocre players can perform. That was the same under GT and at every other club under every other coach: since the advent of the salary cap, it is rare for any team to be able to send 22 top grade players onto the field: perhaps the Lions in the early 2000s and the Swans more recently, but, of course, they have a different salary cap to us.

It's no secret that I was a much bigger fan of GT than Lyon. I liked the approach that Butterss- GT -Waldron adopted of trying to build our club into a long-term powerhouse. It was working well when GT was removed, and then Lyon and Nettlefold took us in a different direction. I felt extremely frustrated watching clubs like Geelong and Hawthorn persist with similar longer-term approaches and reap the rewards, while we put everything into winning just one premiership, and ultimately missed out. But, having said that, I admired Lyon's coaching abilities and their results in 2009 and 2010. But, of course, we then reaped what we had sown and are only just starting to recover now.

Can't we all (except for Teflon of course) accept that GT and Lyon both had their strengths and weaknesses and then move on?
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby White Winmar » Tue 23 May 2017 5:38pm

Freo recruited Hill, Hamling and McCarthy. Very impressive. As good as our trading was, I'd happily swap with them. Add Fyfe and Sandi returning, and Mundy rediscovering his form, it's little wonder they've improved. As a bit of a spoiler, have a look at their percentage. Coupled with the fact they've won three under a goal, you could say they've been lucky and maybe are not as good as their current position and record suggest. They're on the fringe with four other sides, is included. Things have fallen their way, but you can't do more than win. FWIW, Lyon is a smart operator, a good coach, but not a great one, IMHO. I doubt Freo will win a flag under him, then no one picked the WB last year, did they?
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Johnny Member » Tue 23 May 2017 5:42pm

Devilhead wrote:Losing Penny, Maguire, Hamill, X Clarke and Ball to either career ending or long term injuries hurt us so so so badly - probably cost us 3 Premierships through that era :(



This.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby White Winmar » Tue 23 May 2017 5:50pm

GT and Lyon were both good coaches. I observed GT at close quarters and Lyon from further away. Both had considerable strengths, but had some flaws, as we all do. GT was an arch motivator. The young guys worshipped him and bought in completely. The older guys, not so much, but they all played for him, from what I observed (unlike Blight and Watson).

RL engendered more respect from the older group, which was not surprising as he saw them as the way to a flag. The younger guys weren't that fond of him, but that's not surprising as his main efforts went into the 25 or so that he saw as the group that would deliver. The pity is, if we had a bit of both GT and RL, who was a better teacher and tactician, we would have won multiple flags in that era.

Pity we didn't get RL as an assistance when GT wanted him. He went to the Swines and that over rated himbo, Roos. The rest is history. The two of them in our box, would've delivered, I reckon. GT the man manager, RL the tactician and strategy developer. So typical of our luck. Sliding doors and all that.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Joffa Burns » Tue 23 May 2017 5:56pm

meher baba wrote:Goodness me, this old nonsense is still going on! We had a great list under GT in 2004-06 and it generally delivered. We almost got to the GF in 2004 when I don't think we were really ready (remembering that we were absolutely thrashed by the Lions in our first final). In 2005, we also got desperately close to the GF, even though Riewoldt was out for much of the season and we lost several key players at the end of the year. In 2006 we lost Lenny and Maguire with major leg injuries (neither of which would have been preventable by any sort of off-field injury management) and Kosi was criminally assaulted onfield, and then other injury problems emerged later in the season. We still made the finals and, if we hadn't had 2 points wrongly taken from us by the AFL, would have made the top 4.

I've read endless comments on this forum about GT having wasted his glorious chances. But, whether you consider him to have been a good, bad or indifferent coach, any fair assessment would be that the club was pretty unlucky over this period: without the loss of Hayes and Kosi and the 2 points in 2006, that could have been our winning year. Of course, there are some who want to blame GT personally for all our injuries over that period: I guess they are just looking for any excuse. An extreme case is that of Luke Ball, whose injury problems were apparently all GT's fault because he played him in too many games early on in his career (this sort of comment coming from some of the same posters who continually demand that the club "play the kids"!)

As for Lyon, he too had a pretty good list: good enough in 2009 for pretty good players in Armo and Gwilt to struggle to get a game at AFL level. Players such as Goddard, Montagna (who was never a regular first team player under GT), Sam Fisher and others really came into their own under Lyon. He was able to acquire Schneider and Dempster, who both added a lot. Sure, he used some mediocre players to perform the sorts of roles that mediocre players can perform. That was the same under GT and at every other club under every other coach: since the advent of the salary cap, it is rare for any team to be able to send 22 top grade players onto the field: perhaps the Lions in the early 2000s and the Swans more recently, but, of course, they have a different salary cap to us.

It's no secret that I was a much bigger fan of GT than Lyon. I liked the approach that Butterss- GT -Waldron adopted of trying to build our club into a long-term powerhouse. It was working well when GT was removed, and then Lyon and Nettlefold took us in a different direction. I felt extremely frustrated watching clubs like Geelong and Hawthorn persist with similar longer-term approaches and reap the rewards, while we put everything into winning just one premiership, and ultimately missed out. But, having said that, I admired Lyon's coaching abilities and their results in 2009 and 2010. But, of course, we then reaped what we had sown and are only just starting to recover now.

Can't we all (except for Teflon of course) accept that GT and Lyon both had their strengths and weaknesses and then move on?


Good read and unbiased.
I dont necessarily agree with the luck conspiring against GT but your points are valid.
I do think soft tissue are not luck injuries and are poor management, but impact injuries like Maguire just happen.
Ball was an interesting one, I heard him state at a sportsmans lunch that playing through OP in his early years robbed him of pace and flexibility, so there is some truth in that.

I absolutely believe GT had an absolutely far superior list than RL and that had we got an experienced coach after Blight but follwed th rebuild through the draft path things would have been different.

As a firm supporter of RL over GT, I ponder this.
Freo offered a fortune for RL, where did GT coach and who wanted him after he got sacked?
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Joffa Burns » Tue 23 May 2017 6:00pm

Johnny Member wrote:
Devilhead wrote:Losing Penny, Maguire, Hamill, X Clarke and Ball to either career ending or long term injuries hurt us so so so badly - probably cost us 3 Premierships through that era :(



This.


You really are a member :lol:

From the guy who didn't rate Gehrig, Harvey, Hamill, Hayes, Powell, Jones, Max, Milne, Peckett as part of our core in GT's era :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Johnny Member » Tue 23 May 2017 6:17pm

Joffa Burns wrote:
Johnny Member wrote:
Joffa Burns wrote:
Your hero was handed the keys to a Ferrari and couldn’t drive it to save himself.
He had the best list ever assembled by St Kilda and couldn’t make a GF let alone win one.



I don't agree with that at all.


The spine were children:

Penny, Maguire, Knobel/Ackland, Roo, Kosi with Dal, Ball, X in the guts.

Obviously had some handy/very good 'middle-aged' guys, but realistically that list was never a contender until the bulk of it had played 50-100 games - which it hadn't.

Not to mention that most were never on the park.


Bit of a myth that one I think.


The only myth is the cr@p you are peddling JM, you have no clue!

You know the club was playing before the 2000 and 2001 draft JM???

Penny, Max, Hamill, Gehrig (AA 2004), Reiwoldt (AA 2004, 2005), Peckett were children???
You mention GT's era but don't realise Gehrig & Hammil and Max were such a huge part of that era.

The great Robert Harvey (AA 2004, 2005 doesn't rate a mention), Hayes (captain in 2004 & AA in 2005 but doesnt rate a mention), Powell, Jones (AA 2004), Ball (AA 2005) Milne (FWD), Black, Guerra weren’t the back bone in 2004 and 2005??? Guerra off half forward and Powell were midfield enforcers.

He also had Bourke, Loewe and Everitt in his first 3 years at the club.
By end of 2005 Dal had played 70 games, Kossi 80 games, these were not kids.

BTW, X played half back then forward pocket, rarely played in the guts.

NO CLUE AT ALL!



I respectfully disagree.


Not about the NO CLUE bit, you're probably about that bit.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby Darth Vader » Tue 23 May 2017 6:20pm

meher baba wrote:Goodness me, this old nonsense is still going on! We had a great list under GT in 2004-06 and it generally delivered. We almost got to the GF in 2004 when I don't think we were really ready (remembering that we were absolutely thrashed by the Lions in our first final). In 2005, we also got desperately close to the GF, even though Riewoldt was out for much of the season and we lost several key players at the end of the year. In 2006 we lost Lenny and Maguire with major leg injuries (neither of which would have been preventable by any sort of off-field injury management) and Kosi was criminally assaulted onfield, and then other injury problems emerged later in the season. We still made the finals and, if we hadn't had 2 points wrongly taken from us by the AFL, would have made the top 4.

I've read endless comments on this forum about GT having wasted his glorious chances. But, whether you consider him to have been a good, bad or indifferent coach, any fair assessment would be that the club was pretty unlucky over this period: without the loss of Hayes and Kosi and the 2 points in 2006, that could have been our winning year. Of course, there are some who want to blame GT personally for all our injuries over that period: I guess they are just looking for any excuse. An extreme case is that of Luke Ball, whose injury problems were apparently all GT's fault because he played him in too many games early on in his career (this sort of comment coming from some of the same posters who continually demand that the club "play the kids"!)

As for Lyon, he too had a pretty good list: good enough in 2009 for pretty good players in Armo and Gwilt to struggle to get a game at AFL level. Players such as Goddard, Montagna (who was never a regular first team player under GT), Sam Fisher and others really came into their own under Lyon. He was able to acquire Schneider and Dempster, who both added a lot. Sure, he used some mediocre players to perform the sorts of roles that mediocre players can perform. That was the same under GT and at every other club under every other coach: since the advent of the salary cap, it is rare for any team to be able to send 22 top grade players onto the field: perhaps the Lions in the early 2000s and the Swans more recently, but, of course, they have a different salary cap to us.

It's no secret that I was a much bigger fan of GT than Lyon. I liked the approach that Butterss- GT -Waldron adopted of trying to build our club into a long-term powerhouse. It was working well when GT was removed, and then Lyon and Nettlefold took us in a different direction. I felt extremely frustrated watching clubs like Geelong and Hawthorn persist with similar longer-term approaches and reap the rewards, while we put everything into winning just one premiership, and ultimately missed out. But, having said that, I admired Lyon's coaching abilities and their results in 2009 and 2010. But, of course, we then reaped what we had sown and are only just starting to recover now.

Can't we all (except for Teflon of course) accept that GT and Lyon both had their strengths and weaknesses and then move on?

Very good post Only thing lacking is a response from Barks4Eva calling you a numb-nuts, flog-tossing, todger-whacker and I'll feel like we're back in the good old days.
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Re: Where are all the Lyontologists?

Postby samoht » Tue 23 May 2017 6:35pm

GT, RL, AR -- makes little difference - AFL coaches more or less negate each other at the end of the day.

Freo happens to be a very strong team this year - and was a top 2 team in 2015 - but under the same coach last year they were 0-10.
A couple of key injuries and a drop in form of a couple of players can do that. That's all it took for Freo to fall from grace.

Conversely, some excellent recruiting and the return from injury of a couple of star players can turn things around.

No coach should be considered special. Circumstances/ fortunes change - and coaches are victims or beneficiaries of these changing fortunes.

If we're looking for people to lionise ( pun intended)....
Recruiters are the people who can make a real difference and who can shape a teams fortunes - 1 good recruiter is worth 10 good coaches and some of them (the good recruiters) could and should be considered special. Instead we marvel at a coach's w/l ratio. Silly, really.
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