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Postby WellardSaint » Tue 28 Feb 2017 3:03pm

Quick one people.
Nathan Brown- I hope tony74 or jaxons can offer some insight.
Round 1 can't come quick enough, and I want to see how he handles Hogan.

Can Nathan Brown be a valid and productive replacement for Delaney and Fisher?
Does he have the tools to cover and negate big forwards?


<edit> as of this entry, so far, 21 members have read my little question, but nobody has offered anything yet. Oh well, I will return to work and come back to the forum in 3 weeks time. Bye... :shock:
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Re: Nathan Brown- opinions please

Postby borderbarry » Tue 28 Feb 2017 3:46pm

In my opinion he does. He is the old fashioned lumbering type of fullback that will keep forwards honest. Good test for him against Hogan coming up.
It is a pity we are not playing a young key defender next to him to help out and learn.
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Postby saynta » Tue 28 Feb 2017 5:16pm

WellardSaint wrote:Quick one people.
Nathan Brown- I hope tony74 or jaxons can offer some insight.
Round 1 can't come quick enough, and I want to see how he handles Hogan.

Can Nathan Brown be a valid and productive replacement for Delaney and Fisher?
Does he have the tools to cover and negate big forwards?


<edit> as of this entry, so far, 21 members have read my little question, but nobody has offered anything yet. Oh well, I will return to work and come back to the forum in 3 weeks time. Bye... :shock:


He kept the Port player who is a fair footballer quiet, but appeared a bit slow to me.

Time will tell. It's a bit too early to start offering to many opinions on our new recruits.
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Re: Nathan Brown- opinions please

Postby Johnny Favier » Tue 28 Feb 2017 5:37pm

I'm certainly hoping he'll allow our side greater flexibility so some of the other guys can get off the chain a bit more.

Seems a decent honest player and a good bloke to me. Should fit in well if he can play that role.
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Postby skeptic » Tue 28 Feb 2017 7:15pm

One thing that I've found frustrating about the various Saints coaches over the last decade or so is there need to be a little old or nothing with the older players.

For example, there has been a lot of debate on here over when the right time to retire guys like Dempster, Fisher, Gwilt, Jones, Schnieder, Blake etc. It seemed to me that the mentality always seemed to be that they're either in the best 22 or they get cut whilst the concept of playing ppl against the right match ups/opponents was not embraced so much.
Someone like Blake for example cold be out of the team until we played a team with more of those resting ruck / aerobic forward types.

Nathan Brown seems to be one such type player. He's purely a stopping backman designed to play against the stronger forwards that have ripped us apart over recent years. Rather than be a permanent fixture in our top 22, my preference would be for him to come in and do a job for us as required.
And I think he can do that very effectively.

I'd hate to see him play against a medium, super fast athlete though because he didn't fit anywhere else
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Postby White Winmar » Tue 28 Feb 2017 7:16pm

I think the change of scenery and AR's coaching will bring out his best, which in the past has been very good. He did drop off in the past two years, but still played a lot of senior footy. That is encouraging. A change of club has lifted many a player. I think he's a solid citizen type, who has some decent skills. Ok, he's not the road runner, but that won't be his role. One, you can carry.
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Postby BigMart » Tue 28 Feb 2017 8:03pm

Good player who will play a very important role
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Postby BackFromUSA » Tue 28 Feb 2017 10:19pm

Massive upgrade on Delaney because he has skill with ball in hand. Good stopper too.
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Postby BringBackMadDog » Tue 28 Feb 2017 10:21pm

Will play round one and is one of the keys this year if we are to make the 8. He allows Gilbert and Roberton to play with more freedom and provide the run that we need from half back
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Postby Jacks Back » Tue 28 Feb 2017 10:25pm

He must be a horses for courses type player rather than a starting 22 every week. Play on the big blokes like Hawkins, Patton, maybe 2-metre Peter, etc, but maybe not on the faster forwards like Hogan, etc
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Postby WellardSaint » Tue 28 Feb 2017 10:48pm

Jacks Back wrote:He must be a horses for courses type player rather than a starting 22 every week. Play on the big blokes like Hawkins, Patton, maybe 2-metre Peter, etc, but maybe not on the faster forwards like Hogan, etc

This makes sense to me. I hope the coaches learn from last year when they went small against WCE and bring him to Perth.
Brown may not be mobile enough for Tom Lynch or Tex Walker.
Unlike Tom Lee, Brown has proved himself at AFL level.
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Postby Winmar » Tue 28 Feb 2017 10:50pm

It's great to have him as an option, even if he doesn't need to play every week. At 28 he's still potentially got 4 years or so left in him.
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Postby mightysainters » Tue 28 Feb 2017 10:52pm

Jacks Back wrote:He must be a horses for courses type player rather than a starting 22 every week. Play on the big blokes like Hawkins, Patton, maybe 2-metre Peter, etc, but maybe not on the faster forwards like Hogan, etc


Agree with this... Although brown is an ordinary footballer..

Also to awayintheusa brown does not have skill with ball in hand, all he does is kick it 40-50 to a contest.. Rarely if ever spots someone up
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Postby SaintPav » Wed 01 Mar 2017 6:38am

Wow! Sounds like a few on here must have spent the last 5 years watching Pies games week in week out and paid particular attention to Brown and his disposal.

Lets call them Brown experts..

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Postby BigMart » Wed 01 Mar 2017 8:11am

As you must be?

I'm just going off the fact he's played a lot of finals footy, he's beaten big forwards, he's been in the leadership groups of teams much better performed than ours
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He's had significant injuries

Those suggesting he's not mobile enough for more mobile forwards... he has a better record on Walker, Hogan etc that huge forwards like Kennedy
Let's not forget, he has beaten the best and most mobile forward in the modern era on a few occasions.
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Postby mightysainters » Wed 01 Mar 2017 8:53am

SaintPav wrote:Wow! Sounds like a few on here must have spent the last 5 years watching Pies games week in week out and paid particular attention to Brown and his disposal.

Lets call them Brown experts..

:roll:


:roll: U do realise a lot of people watch more than just saints games right?

Uncle is a mad pies supporter so means I watch all of the pies games.. That was always their gripe on him was never trying to spot up a target as that was their game plan
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Postby wally » Wed 01 Mar 2017 9:04am

I understand the horses for courses but don't they also talk about the same back 6 playing together and gelling.
Carlisle and Brown can rotate around if necessary.
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Postby saint3d » Wed 01 Mar 2017 9:34am

Brown was tenth in the league last year for spoils per game, which puts him slightly ahead of guys like Alex Rance and Josh Gibson.

He doesn't get as many disposals as those guys, but you could reasonably infer that he's pretty good at stopping marks.
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Postby WellardSaint » Wed 01 Mar 2017 3:31pm

saint3d wrote:Brown was tenth in the league last year for spoils per game, which puts him slightly ahead of guys like Alex Rance and Josh Gibson.

He doesn't get as many disposals as those guys, but you could reasonably infer that he's pretty good at stopping marks.

That stat gives me enormous hope, because I imagine set plays would involve Brown spoiling, and one of our runners like Joey being there to clean up- he has the experience to do so.
Rance n Gibson? Wow...I'm (Big Kev) excited :lol:
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Postby lennyhaze » Wed 01 Mar 2017 3:39pm

WellardSaint wrote:
saint3d wrote:Brown was tenth in the league last year for spoils per game, which puts him slightly ahead of guys like Alex Rance and Josh Gibson.

He doesn't get as many disposals as those guys, but you could reasonably infer that he's pretty good at stopping marks.

That stat gives me enormous hope, because I imagine set plays would involve Brown spoiling, and one of our runners like Joey being there to clean up- he has the experience to do so.
Rance n Gibson? Wow...I'm (Big Kev) excited :lol:



I suppose you can find stats that make you like a player. Brown will be ok on the big slower guys of which there aren't that many these days. I'm hoping he only plays when those guys are in the opposition side. He doesn't need to find the ball as well. The days of complete stoppers are coming to an end.
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Postby saint3d » Wed 01 Mar 2017 4:59pm

lennyhaze wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:
saint3d wrote:Brown was tenth in the league last year for spoils per game, which puts him slightly ahead of guys like Alex Rance and Josh Gibson.

He doesn't get as many disposals as those guys, but you could reasonably infer that he's pretty good at stopping marks.

That stat gives me enormous hope, because I imagine set plays would involve Brown spoiling, and one of our runners like Joey being there to clean up- he has the experience to do so.
Rance n Gibson? Wow...I'm (Big Kev) excited :lol:



I suppose you can find stats that make you like a player. Brown will be ok on the big slower guys of which there aren't that many these days. I'm hoping he only plays when those guys are in the opposition side. He doesn't need to find the ball as well. The days of complete stoppers are coming to an end.


If we call 'big slower guys' something like 'full forwards', and we call 'complete stoppers' something like 'full backs', I think you'll find there are enough of the former to warrant having one of the latter in your team most weeks. I don't think anyone really wants to see Sean Dempster lining up on Tom Hawkins again.
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Postby SaintPav » Wed 01 Mar 2017 8:30pm

BigMart wrote:As you must be?

I'm just going off the fact he's played a lot of finals footy, he's beaten big forwards, he's been in the leadership groups of teams much better performed than ours
Plus
He's had significant injuries

Those suggesting he's not mobile enough for more mobile forwards... he has a better record on Walker, Hogan etc that huge forwards like Kennedy
Let's not forget, he has beaten the best and most mobile forward in the modern era on a few occasions.


If it's good enough for everyone to have to quote why isn't it good enough for you? How can anyone know who is speaking to who if you don't quote?

I wasn't referring to you and I agree with you about Brown..
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Postby magnifisaint » Thu 02 Mar 2017 10:42am

was VC at Collingwood. Must have some ability. Did a job on Riewoldt 2010 GF
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Postby perfectionist » Thu 02 Mar 2017 11:43am

saint3d wrote:...you could reasonably infer that he's pretty good at stopping marks.

I think Nick would attest to that.
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Postby White Winmar » Thu 02 Mar 2017 4:05pm

You'll all love him by the end of the year, guaranteed.
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