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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby Bluthy » Sat 11 Mar 2017 11:41am

st.byron wrote:
Bluthy wrote:
White Winmar wrote:
tony74 wrote:Slight setback this week so I don't think you'll see him.

What sort of setback, T74? Of the hamstring variety? Hip? Awareness?


If Freezer can slowly keep getting 'awareness' of each part of his body, in a few years he should be totally aware of all his body and ready to string some games together. Looking forward to it.



Reckon you're dreaming. He's barely played any footy at all for three years. That alone, his injuries aside, has got to impact on his capacity to perform at the top level. Another few years?????
I reckon he's an injury bust. It's just one 'setback' after another.
Does he have a contract beyond this year?


I wasn't serious - poor attempt at humour. He's got one more year after this one I think. I don't stress about Mr Freeze - he's a project player for me. He has to get a lot of little duckies lined up to make it. Not impossible but he would be an outside chance to make it for me. Body needs to hold up so he can play consistently and need to see if he has that burst speed that made him go a high pick. Hammies are basically pieces of elastic and once they snap and you start sewing them back up they usually lose a fair bit of elasticity. Just hope he can play a fair bit of VFL this year and at least give himself some sort of shot. If he can't get on the field much this year then the future would look pretty dark. Our midfield train is pulling away from the station and he doesn't want to be standing on the platform waving.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby saintsRrising » Sat 11 Mar 2017 12:48pm

Last year was always going to be about getting his body ready to play, as he was not ready to play when he joined us.

So for me it is all about him making it this year. If by seasons end he has not played at least a run of seniors, then it will be a bust.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby prwilkinson » Sat 11 Mar 2017 1:19pm

saintsRrising wrote:Last year was always going to be about getting his body ready to play, as he was not ready to play when he joined us.

So for me it is all about him making it this year. If by seasons end he has not played at least a run of seniors, then it will be a bust.


Yep. What's a bit concerning as a supporter from the outside, the moment he seems ready to string games together... he's suddenly not ready. Bit of a red flag for me.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby saintspremiers » Sun 12 Mar 2017 5:49am

If Nathan is a bust, can we merge it with a Tommy Walsh thread please?
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby mightysainters » Mon 13 Mar 2017 7:07pm

Apparently hip is nothing and he isn't really injured.. being managed for a round 3 return..
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby Wombat15 » Tue 14 Mar 2017 11:34pm

I think ive mentioned this before in other threads.
Ive spoken to a former trainer of his and theyve mentioned to me Collingwood completetly overloaded and overtrained him in his first season and stuffed up his rehab plan during the next season. Which basically means we are undoing and rebuilding 2 years worth of damage the pies have caused. If you look at their injury list every season its a wonder they have a "fit" 22 every week.
I personally cant say he was a waste of a second round pick. Had to take a flyer on the kid. Lot of hard work stories at the saints atm. I.e Nathan Wright, Seb Ross etc. all struggled with injuries and now look at them. Im happy to be wrong about Freeman but the kid has elite pace and was a bargain considering we picked up Gresham and Carlisle for pick 5! Then got superman, Long & Battle in this draft for a packet of chips. In the grand scheme of things id still make the freeman trade even knowing what we know now.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby DJ Higgins » Wed 15 Mar 2017 12:03am

saintspremiers wrote:If Nathan is a bust, can we merge it with a Tommy Walsh thread please?


I have written him off which is a shame. He hasn't played much at VFL level and was sub par in his development league games. He has trouble finding the ball and from what I have read is scared to sprint for obvious reasons. We would have had another second round draft pick last year which we could have been used to get either another speedster like Shai Bolton or possibly traded two second rounds for a first round pick. That is a lot of ifs and buts and Long and Battle may become stars but we really shouldn't have been gambling then. Not with the future starting to look bright.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby Con Gorozidis » Wed 15 Mar 2017 12:15am

Wombat15 wrote:I think ive mentioned this before in other threads.
Ive spoken to a former trainer of his and theyve mentioned to me Collingwood completetly overloaded and overtrained him in his first season and stuffed up his rehab plan during the next season. Which basically means we are undoing and rebuilding 2 years worth of damage the pies have caused. If you look at their injury list every season its a wonder they have a "fit" 22 every week.
I personally cant say he was a waste of a second round pick. Had to take a flyer on the kid. Lot of hard work stories at the saints atm. I.e Nathan Wright, Seb Ross etc. all struggled with injuries and now look at them. Im happy to be wrong about Freeman but the kid has elite pace and was a bargain considering we picked up Gresham and Carlisle for pick 5! Then got superman, Long & Battle in this draft for a packet of chips. In the grand scheme of things id still make the freeman trade even knowing what we know now.


Bill Davoren has to be the worst of all.
Was bottom at the Dogs. Bottom for us. Now bottom for the Pies.
Cant be a coincidence.
The guy is an epic hack.
How he keeps his job is a mystery.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby SaintPav » Wed 15 Mar 2017 7:35am

Wombat15 wrote:I think ive mentioned this before in other threads.
Ive spoken to a former trainer of his and theyve mentioned to me Collingwood completetly overloaded and overtrained him in his first season and stuffed up his rehab plan during the next season. Which basically means we are undoing and rebuilding 2 years worth of damage the pies have caused. If you look at their injury list every season its a wonder they have a "fit" 22 every week.
I personally cant say he was a waste of a second round pick. Had to take a flyer on the kid. Lot of hard work stories at the saints atm. I.e Nathan Wright, Seb Ross etc. all struggled with injuries and now look at them. Im happy to be wrong about Freeman but the kid has elite pace and was a bargain considering we picked up Gresham and Carlisle for pick 5! Then got superman, Long & Battle in this draft for a packet of chips. In the grand scheme of things id still make the freeman trade even knowing what we know now.


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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby To the top » Wed 15 Mar 2017 4:10pm

Give the kid a chance!

Pre season at an AFL Club is most exacting and requires great discipline and resolve.

Freeman has completed the full pre season.

That in itself says something.

The kid himself has not pulled the plug, so why should some supporters?

The next step is playing, at full capacity and making his AFL debut, then cementing his position in the side.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby Bluthy » Wed 15 Mar 2017 8:31pm

To the top wrote:Give the kid a chance!

Pre season at an AFL Club is most exacting and requires great discipline and resolve.

Freeman has completed the full pre season.

That in itself says something.

The kid himself has not pulled the plug, so why should some supporters?

The next step is playing, at full capacity and making his AFL debut, then cementing his position in the side.


People are giving him a chance Top - but a realistic chance. You keep talking about how "vital" he is to us and even including him in our best. Vital means indispensable, and he is not that as we may well have to do without him. He should be looked as a scratchie card - could pay off huge but decent odds at being just two little jackpot pictures with the third frustratingly missing - but hey it was fun to have our hopes up for a bit. If he can start playing consistently that's just swell, but the huge, huge, huge question is - does he have that burst speed that made him a top draft pick? Enquiring minds want to know this year preferably.
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Re: Nathan Freeman.

Postby st.byron » Wed 15 Mar 2017 9:54pm

To the top wrote:Give the kid a chance!

Pre season at an AFL Club is most exacting and requires great discipline and resolve.

Freeman has completed the full pre season.

That in itself says something.

The kid himself has not pulled the plug, so why should some supporters?

The next step is playing, at full capacity and making his AFL debut, then cementing his position in the side.


If I was a young fella who loved footy, really wanted to play and realise my talent and was being paid a very healthy sum for a 21 year old I wouldn't be giving up either. I really wish him well and hope he can become a regular and play some great footy for us - however - the constant "setbacks" do have the ring of A.Hamill 2 weeks about them. We've heard numerous times that he's just about ready to go, only for it to amount to nothing. The recent "setback" is another example.
So it seems to me as it stands, more likely he's an injury bust than not. Hope I'm wrong.
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