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Re: Essendope

Postby magnifisaint » Wed 22 Mar 2017 9:30am

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Re: Essendope

Postby The OtherThommo » Wed 22 Mar 2017 11:07am

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/w ... v32mx.html

In 2002, coach John Worsfold was told by "at least three fairly reliable sources", including police, "that some players were taking illicit drugs" with Cousins and Gardiner mentioned, as were their connections to Perth's criminal element and underworld figure John Kizon, who they had been seen with. He spoke to the duo who "responded that there was nothing to worry about".

"The CEO Mr [Trevor] Nisbett initially dealt with the misconduct but in the end it was left to the club doctor [Rod Moore] to deal with the problem," the report said.

"Mr Nisbett accepted that it did go through his mind in 2004 that the Valium may have been used for other purposes other than its normal prescribed purpose. He also gave evidence which suggested Kerr was not acting alone in seeking to obtain the Valium pills, that another player or players may have been involved in the attempt to obtain pills by deception."

"Swept under the carpet" is the repeated description of how Cousins was dealt with when he turned up to training in an unfit state or missed training sessions, and when his family told Worsfold in early 2006 of his drug problem.

....and "as was frankly stated to me [Gillard], the club was concerned that their best player may walk out on them".

"That this did not trigger a significant alarm shows West Coast's unwillingness to tackle its star players head-on. Combined with a (common to AFL clubs and big business) PR strategy of damage control and suppression, a dangerous and reckless culture was flourishing."
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Re: Essendope

Postby The OtherThommo » Wed 22 Mar 2017 11:41am

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/j ... v3d90.html

"The report said Worsfold was told by "at least three fairly reliable sources", including police..........."

"Worsfold told 3AW on Tuesday he struggled to see how he could take action based on "random" rumours."
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Re: Essendope

Postby IanRush » Wed 22 Mar 2017 12:01pm

So when will West Coast be stripped of their 2006 Premiership?

Melbourne Storm lost 2007 and 2009 for much less.

Funny how the Kerry Stokes owned "West Australian" newspaper did not break the story, had to be out of WA.... but then again, Kerry Stokes owns Channel 7, and they are a TV Rights partner of the AFL...

Anyhow, nice to see the Perth mafia being broken down, might bring down Julie Bishop too, she was an Eagles Board member around this time, how come she hasn't popped her head up? (maybe she was the fixer?)

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 6dd62688e9

"I have resigned because of my overseas travel commitments,'' Ms Bishop told The Sunday Times.

"I have a great love for the club and have faith that the Eagles will build on John Worsfold's legacy and go on to become a premier winning club.''

Bishop's love for the Eagles is well-known.

She was the only female on the eight-person Eagles board, which is chaired by Alan Cransberg.

Other notable West Australians on the board include Hawaiian Group chief executive Russell Gibbs and RAC group chief executive Terry Agnew.

In 2011, Ms Bishop presented US president Barack Obama with a West Coast Eagles guernsey.

Ms Bishop yesterday praised Worsfold, who retired at the end of this year's AFL season, for his contribution to the club as a player and a coach.

"He is an icon of the club and always put the interests of the Eagles first,'' she said.
USELESS FACT: The WADA case against Essendon (in Sydney as well) is exactly 10 years to the day that Australia qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
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Re: Essendope

Postby White Winmar » Wed 22 Mar 2017 1:27pm

He certainly did, Julie. He certainly did. A pity he didn't put the interests, health and welfare of the young men in his care first.
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Re: Essendope

Postby satchmo » Wed 22 Mar 2017 1:31pm

The OtherThommo wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/john-worsfold-says-in-wake-of-gillard-drugs-report-that-he-knows-how-collingwood-feels-at-players-lies-20170321-gv3d90.html

"The report said Worsfold was told by "at least three fairly reliable sources", including police..........."

"Worsfold told 3AW on Tuesday he struggled to see how he could take action based on "random" rumours."


Those random police...
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Re: Essendope

Postby Linton Lodger » Wed 22 Mar 2017 5:03pm

Let's put cannabis aside, because there's no way that's performing enhancing in any shape or form (IMO testing atheletes for cannabis is a disgraceful violation of privacy). However, speed, ice, ecstacy on the other hand, whilst offering no benefits game day (disorientation is a side effect), would be an enormous advantage in training. Basically they could train harder with less fatigue and pain, albeit a dangerous thing, particularly in the long term. This would have given them more stamina and strength than there opponents, in an accelerated manner. Whether it was their specific intention to get that adavantage, party or both, they were cheating.

It always bothered me that in 2004 we played a West Coast team full of puny kids at the Docklands and utterly beat them up, I think we kicked 30 that day and won by about 20 goals. Yet within 12 months, they had magically transformed into big bodied men and played off in a GF.

There is only one reasonable thing to do and that is strip them of that 2006 Premiership. Don't award it to Sydney, because that would be a hollow premiership for Sydney 10 years after the fact. Just strip the assholes of that Premiership and impose sanctions (say removal of draft picks).
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Re: Essendope

Postby saynta » Wed 22 Mar 2017 5:31pm

The OtherThommo wrote:Just the 9 years under wraps - http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/d ... v2j4u.html

I wonder if the same sort of findings had been made about our l'il ol' club would have seen the report sit in the company safe for 9 years.

Then, of course, there's "Whoosher". Hasn't he gone on? Ah, kultcha.

If only more would read and heed the likes of Oscar Wilde:

“Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”

Of course, kultchas at work at institutions like the AFL don't much fancy the thinking of the likes of Oscar.

They very much prefer what the likes of Edward Bernays had to offer.



You would think, if the AFL was half serious, whoosher would have been the last person they would have wanted to see coaching the convicted drug cheats.
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Re: Essendope

Postby saynta » Wed 22 Mar 2017 6:33pm

Toy Saint wrote:So the report points out that Woosha was well aware of the West Coast drug culture....blind freddy could see it....the AFL never managed to acknowledge it....Kevin Bartlett reckons they should have a black line through their premership....the AFL remains quiet....Worsfold is appointed at Essendon....proven drug cheats in an international court....but found not guilty by the AFL.....and Worsfold is a pharamasist....an expert in drugs.....and the ALF.....well the AFL is incompetent at best or moraly bankrupt...or both...



Geelong and the filth were cheating too.

Everybody who is anybody with connections to the clubs had more than their suspicions, but nothing was done.

Hird knew, that's why he tried to level the playing field.

Cost us two premierships in my opinion.
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Re: Essendope

Postby Waltzing St Kilda » Wed 22 Mar 2017 6:57pm

Unfortunately we took Gardiner and chased Cousins.
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Re: Essendope

Postby IanRush » Wed 22 Mar 2017 9:12pm

Dank is running a peptide practice in Darwin! Is he supplying US Troops, perhaps? Dr Willcourt has US connections....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/stephe ... cea5233833
USELESS FACT: The WADA case against Essendon (in Sydney as well) is exactly 10 years to the day that Australia qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
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Re: Essendope

Postby saintspremiers » Thu 23 Mar 2017 6:59am

saynta wrote:
The OtherThommo wrote:Just the 9 years under wraps - http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/d ... v2j4u.html

I wonder if the same sort of findings had been made about our l'il ol' club would have seen the report sit in the company safe for 9 years.

Then, of course, there's "Whoosher". Hasn't he gone on? Ah, kultcha.

If only more would read and heed the likes of Oscar Wilde:

“Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”

Of course, kultchas at work at institutions like the AFL don't much fancy the thinking of the likes of Oscar.

They very much prefer what the likes of Edward Bernays had to offer.



You would think, if the AFL was half serious, whoosher would have been the last person they would have wanted to see coaching the convicted drug cheats.


Dimwit is gong to release a tell all tell nothing book about the "AFL's War on Drugs".

It comes as a lift out in the Herald Sun next week
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Re: Essendope

Postby Toy Saint » Thu 23 Mar 2017 7:22am

saynta wrote:
The OtherThommo wrote:Just the 9 years under wraps - http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/d ... v2j4u.html

I wonder if the same sort of findings had been made about our l'il ol' club would have seen the report sit in the company safe for 9 years.

Then, of course, there's "Whoosher". Hasn't he gone on? Ah, kultcha.

If only more would read and heed the likes of Oscar Wilde:

“Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”

Of course, kultchas at work at institutions like the AFL don't much fancy the thinking of the likes of Oscar.

They very much prefer what the likes of Edward Bernays had to offer.



You would think, if the AFL was half serious, whoosher would have been the last person they would have wanted to see coaching the convicted drug cheats.


...or the very best person....the AFL is fully serious, they are desperate for these matters to be kept in the dark....and whoosher is well qualified and has a proven record for managing these matters well in the eyes of the AFL....
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Re: Essendope

Postby saynta » Thu 23 Mar 2017 9:53am

Toy Saint wrote:
saynta wrote:
The OtherThommo wrote:Just the 9 years under wraps - http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/d ... v2j4u.html

I wonder if the same sort of findings had been made about our l'il ol' club would have seen the report sit in the company safe for 9 years.

Then, of course, there's "Whoosher". Hasn't he gone on? Ah, kultcha.

If only more would read and heed the likes of Oscar Wilde:

“Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”

Of course, kultchas at work at institutions like the AFL don't much fancy the thinking of the likes of Oscar.

They very much prefer what the likes of Edward Bernays had to offer.



You would think, if the AFL was half serious, whoosher would have been the last person they would have wanted to see coaching the convicted drug cheats.


...or the very best person....the AFL is fully serious, they are desperate for these matters to be kept in the dark....and whoosher is well qualified and has a proven record for managing these matters well in the eyes of the AFL....


You may have a point.
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Re: Essendope

Postby White Winmar » Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:34am

This whole fiasco shows the AFL has about as much credibility as the WWE. Fixture rigged, cover ups, start up and interstate teams favoured to a ridiculous extent, a drug testing system that is a joke, a MRP whose results are as arbitrary as they are bewildering, stadium deals that sucked the life out of less favoured clubs and a lucky dip style draft and trading system. It ain't sport, folks, it's "entertainment".
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Re: Essendope

Postby White Winmar » Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:35am

This whole fiasco shows the AFL has about as much credibility as the WWE. Fixture rigged, cover ups, start up and interstate teams favoured to a ridiculous extent, a drug testing system that is a joke, a MRP whose results are as arbitrary as they are bewildering, stadium deals that sucked the life out of less favoured clubs and a lucky dip style draft and trading system. It ain't sport, folks, it's "entertainment".
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Re: Essendope

Postby Gordo' » Thu 23 Mar 2017 1:33pm

saynta wrote:
Toy Saint wrote:So the report points out that Woosha was well aware of the West Coast drug culture....blind freddy could see it....the AFL never managed to acknowledge it....Kevin Bartlett reckons they should have a black line through their premership....the AFL remains quiet....Worsfold is appointed at Essendon....proven drug cheats in an international court....but found not guilty by the AFL.....and Worsfold is a pharamasist....an expert in drugs.....and the ALF.....well the AFL is incompetent at best or moraly bankrupt...or both...



Geelong and the filth were cheating too.

Everybody who is anybody with connections to the clubs had more than their suspicions, but nothing was done.

Hird knew, that's why he tried to level the playing field.

Cost us two premierships in my opinion.


You're too flowering right there, mate! :evil: :evil: :evil: Flowering Geelong and the flowering filth................oh ffs! :evil: :evil: :evil: And those flowering AFL softc#@ks! :roll:
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Re: Essendope

Postby jays » Thu 23 Mar 2017 6:02pm

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Re: Essendope

Postby IanRush » Sun 26 Mar 2017 10:11pm

Daddy HIRD is back...with comedy

Is it because, as Bruce Francis has argued so cogently, the AFL — as the players’ employer — failed in its work health and safety responsibilities and it had to find a scapegoat to protect itself?"

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinio ... b19d39d719
USELESS FACT: The WADA case against Essendon (in Sydney as well) is exactly 10 years to the day that Australia qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
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Re: Essendope

Postby IanRush » Mon 27 Mar 2017 9:24pm

USELESS FACT: The WADA case against Essendon (in Sydney as well) is exactly 10 years to the day that Australia qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
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Re: Essendope

Postby Jacks Back » Mon 27 Mar 2017 10:10pm

The way they played beating Hawthorn like that you'd think that maybe the force (juice) is still with them. :shock:

Oh well, you guys tried but don't seem to be really getting anywhere any more.

Too bad, so sad! :lol:
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Re: Essendope

Postby IanRush » Tue 28 Mar 2017 9:45am

Jacks Back wrote:The way they played beating Hawthorn like that you'd think that maybe the force (juice) is still with them. :shock:

Oh well, you guys tried but don't seem to be really getting anywhere any more.

Too bad, so sad! :lol:


Geez you're a useless dill Jack, every time you try to shut us down..... we get documents. best to shut your mouth, I say

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/a/34814 ... sed/#page1

Report: AFL's Essendon review released
Roger Vaughan - AAP on March 27, 2017, 11:32 pm

An internal review of how the AFL handled the Essendon supplements debacle endorses the league's controversial joint ASADA investigation.

According to The Australian, the review also sets out guidelines for the AFL chief executive, chairman and commission in future investigations.

The league apparently has distributed the much-anticipated review to the clubs.

The joint AFL-ASADA investigation was one of the most contentious points in the long-running Essendon supplements saga.

Essendon and then-coach James Hird unsuccessfully challenged the legality of the joint investigation in the Federal Court.

Hird broke ranks with the club and launched an appeal, which also failed.

..........

The review recommends that in future investigations, the chief executive is to have no say in final sanctions.

The CEO is a commission member, but the review recommends that he or she should run the investigation.

The commission would not be involved in laying charges or the investigation, only to judge the final outcome.


The review will do little to appease fierce critics of how the AFL handled the Essendon crisis, the biggest scandal in Australian sporting history.
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Re: Essendope

Postby IanRush » Wed 05 Apr 2017 9:47pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... e91dba9f37

THE AFL will sit down with ASADA’s incoming chief executive to investigate an independent sports tribunal to rule on drug and match-fixing breaches.

Anti-doping experts on Tuesday lauded the development as a significant breakthrough after a string of cases involving AFL players taking banned substances.

Former ASADA boss Richard Ings says a national and independent one-stop-shop for ASADA and corruption cases would remove conflict-of-interest issues.
USELESS FACT: The WADA case against Essendon (in Sydney as well) is exactly 10 years to the day that Australia qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
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Re: Essendope

Postby Wayne42 » Wed 05 Apr 2017 10:55pm

Documents . Yes, have they made any difference. No.

Most people are trying to move on from this saga, Mick Warner and the like are clutching to it for dear life because all that's left for
them after Essendope is a void and they are panicking.
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Re: Essendope

Postby saynta » Sat 08 Apr 2017 1:08pm

Once suspicious....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-or ... 3a84a1f62f


"A FORMER CHIROPRACTOR is facing charges from WorkSafe over the death of a patient being treated in his hyperbaric chambers.

Malcolm Hooper — who was involved in the Essendon ­doping program and also treats tennis champ Novak Djokovic in the same South Yarra clinic the 42-year-old patient died in — was charged with three offences by WorkSafe.

The Herald Sun understands Mr Hooper may face further charges as a probe into the death of Craig Dawson on April 6, 2016, is finalised."
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