97 Brownlow arguement !!

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97 Brownlow arguement !!

Postby Eastern » Fri 05 Oct 2007 9:43pm

It angers me every time I hear that Chris Grant was robbed of the 97 Brownlow. Chris Grant was a victim of circumstance in 97, as was Robert Harvey.

I remember that it was fairly early that season (Rd 8-10 ?) that Collo put Grant up before the tribunal. Some of us still remember that the umpires refused to make a report, so Collo did it himself.

Earlier that season Chris Grant received 3 Brownlow votes under very dubious circumstances. There was one game where he received 3 Votes for a 3 kick, 6 handball game. In the same game Grant's direct opponent, David Neitz kicked 7 goals

People who believe in fairytales chose to ignore these facts as they would destroy the fairytale.

ROBERT HARVEY WON THE 97 BROWNLOW FAIRLY & SQUARELY

Chris Grant was merely a victim of the degree of honesty that was in the game at that time !!
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Postby Shades » Fri 05 Oct 2007 9:52pm

all in the past he won it stop talking about it :)
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Postby saintsrus » Fri 05 Oct 2007 9:53pm

The rumours back then were the umpies were peed off about some matter and still gave him votes after he was suspended.
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Postby Oh When the Saints » Fri 05 Oct 2007 9:56pm

Not quite.

Grant polled 3 votes in Round 4 of that year, when he had 3 kicks, 1 mark and 6 handballs. It was before he was suspended, but was absolutely ridiculous.

In that same game, David Neitz kicked 7 goals on Grant.


So playing full-back, Grant received 3 votes as the best player on the ground for conceding 7 goals and earning 3 kicks himself.
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Postby Saints Premiers 2008 » Fri 05 Oct 2007 9:57pm

i respect it when you post usually....

but no offence...let it go...
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Postby Eastern » Fri 05 Oct 2007 10:00pm

Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:i respect it when you post usually....

but no offence...let it go...


Yeah, but it became topical again this week when Chris Grant announced his retirement !!
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Postby super dooper » Fri 05 Oct 2007 10:04pm

Oh When the Saints wrote:Not quite.

Grant polled 3 votes in Round 4 of that year, when he had 3 kicks, 1 mark and 6 handballs. It was before he was suspended, but was absolutely ridiculous.

In that same game, David Neitz kicked 7 goals on Grant.


So playing full-back, Grant received 3 votes as the best player on the ground for conceding 7 goals and earning 3 kicks himself.


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/play ... Grant.html

Had a look on the stats sight, and couldnt believe my eyes

Harvs brownlow through and through!!

If you compare the games banger polled 3 votes in that year
3 vs Port - 38 touches
3 vs WCE - 35 " "
3 vs adel - 43 " "
3 vs Haw - 40 ""
3 vs Coll - 36 " "
3 vs Syd - 35 " "
3 vs Port - 40 " "

what a machine, scary to think that 98 was even better

Sorry Chris Grant, champion player you may have been, all the respect in the world, Harvs is just in a different league
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Postby Saints Premiers 2008 » Fri 05 Oct 2007 10:05pm

Eastern wrote:
Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:i respect it when you post usually....

but no offence...let it go...


Yeah, but it became topical again this week when Chris Grant announced his retirement !!


i cant say i care that grant retired...thats just me...

the only reason he is considered good is because the teams he played in had sub-par and below average cores...
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Postby Mooksy » Fri 05 Oct 2007 10:45pm

Great thread! It infuriates me also. People forget the incident involved Grant fair dinkunm jobbing Holland in the face. End of story. He was lucky to only get one week.
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Postby Brian Collis » Fri 05 Oct 2007 11:45pm

Who's Chris Grant?
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Postby brown-coat » Fri 05 Oct 2007 11:50pm

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Postby wynner » Fri 05 Oct 2007 11:56pm

Update on Harvs Total...

Gary Dempsey - 218.5 (adj for double votes)
Sir Robert - 212 (including the 7 votes this year)

So just 7 more votes - same as this year - and then - the record!
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Postby Dazvolt » Fri 05 Oct 2007 11:59pm

In my eyes it was an issue for 12 months. People saying that Harvey didnt deserve a brownlow.............As banger does he responded in great fashion by winning it in 98 and shuting all those people up.
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Postby mad saint guy » Sat 06 Oct 2007 2:47am

wynner wrote:So just 7 more votes - same as this year - and then - the record!


Harvs better not only poll 6 votes next year! We can't have Sir Robert retire half a vote off from being the greatest ever Brownlow vote getter.
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Postby markinUSA » Sat 06 Oct 2007 2:57am

Tim Watson robbed Harvey and Burke from getting more votes with his theory that they should not be played in the midfield. What a mistake that was! And that is just after Harvey's blitzed everyone in the 1998 Brownlow.
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Postby ben_fff » Sat 06 Oct 2007 11:07am

Grant was a awesome player at his peak, don't forget he almost won the 1996 brownlow and missed out on votes in a game where he dominated.
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Postby redwhite&blackblood » Sat 06 Oct 2007 5:59pm

The grant Brownlow talk doesn't bug me as much as the Doggies we would have beaten the saints in the Grand Final talk. How can they accurately say that they choked in the PF so what is to say they wouldn't have in the GF!
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Postby Saints Premiers 2008 » Sat 06 Oct 2007 6:34pm

now that was the mother of all chokings...
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Postby noreason41 » Sat 06 Oct 2007 8:51pm

Arguments that Grant should have won the brownlow in 2007, are a joke.

His season was no where near the quality as Harvey's was, He averaged basically half of Harvey's disposals, only kicked 19 goals more, and overall didn't play anywhere near as well as Harvey.

Rd 4 V Melbourne. Chris Grant - 3 Kicks - 1 Mark - 7 Handballs - 10 Disposals - 0 Goals - 0 Behinds - 3 Hitouts - 1 Tackle. 3 Brownlow Votes


What a joke!
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Postby Launcestonsaint » Sat 06 Oct 2007 9:56pm

There should be no argument. Who has the 1997 Brownlow Medal?
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Postby evertonfc » Sun 07 Oct 2007 2:54pm

I actually thought Grant was good without being excellent in 1997.

I thought Harvey's 1997 season was the best by a midfielder, ever - surpassing 1998 (despite the polling difference) quite easily.
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