On a brighter note.

[JeffDunne]

2007 Home and Away Attendances for Each Club.

Collingwood 1,228,962 (Home and Away Record)
Essendon 1,088,652
Richmond 909,203
Carlton 864,755
St.Kilda 862,842
West Coast 834,727
Adelaide 788,959
Sydney 772,705
Hawthorn 769,623
Geelong 762,044
Fremantle 737,569
Western Bulldogs 721,691
Melbourne 707,402
Brisbane 665,330
Kangaroos 641,055
Port Adelaide 599,859

(figures lifted from Bigfooty but I believe they are accurate)

[redwhite&blackblood]

Little comfort when your not playing in September!

[saintlee]

Good result, more than i had expected given our year wasn't great

[JeffDunne]

Little comfort when your not playing in September!

What a strange comment.

[Mr Magic]

2007 Home and Away Attendances for Each Club.

Collingwood 1,228,962 (Home and Away Record)
Essendon 1,088,652
Richmond 909,203
Carlton 864,755
St.Kilda 862,842
West Coast 834,727
Adelaide 788,959
Sydney 772,705
Hawthorn 769,623
Geelong 762,044
Fremantle 737,569
Western Bulldogs 721,691
Melbourne 707,402
Brisbane 665,330
Kangaroos 641,055
Port Adelaide 599,859

(figures lifted from Bigfooty but I believe they are accurate)

That's a pretty good result when you consider how few games we played at the MCG and we only got to pay the Filth once.

It's an average of a little over 39,200 per game.

[evertonfc]

Can someone just get our home figures?

I reckon they're fairer to judge on. Big crowds against Sydney away, for example, I'd say have inflated our figure.

[bigcarl]

we might have been challenging the big boys for attendances if we were bound for september action

[Mr Magic]

Can someone just get our home figures?

I reckon they're fairer to judge on. Big crowds against Sydney away, for example, I'd say have inflated our figure.

More than playing Freo and WCE here have deflated them?

The fact that we choose to play home games against Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn and Collingwood (when we get one) at the Telstra Dome with a max capacity of around 50,000 limits our ability to climb the 'attendance ladder'.

WHat would Essendon's figure look like if you played the Anzac Day game and the Hird/Sheedy farewell against Richmond at the Dome instead of the G?
Collingwood had 16 games at the G. Play 8 of those at teh Dome and I reckon you could take 200-250k off their figure.

[saintbrat]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/stkilda.html
2007 Home 417,135 11games Average I assume 37,921
Away445,707 11 games (Average I assume)40,519


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2007.html

[redwhite&blackblood]

Little comfort when your not playing in September!

What a strange comment.

Our total attendances mean little if we arn't playing in September. We don't play footy to get people in the gates, other wise the Power and the Roos have failed this year despite both still being in the running for the flag this year. Surely we play to win premierships.

[saintlee]

Little comfort when your not playing in September!

What a strange comment.

Our total attendances mean little if we arn't playing in September. We don't play footy to get people in the gates, other wise the Power and the Roos have failed this year despite both still being in the running for the flag this year. Surely we play to win premierships.

Its not an either-or equation, big crowds raise revenue, revenue is spent on facilities and coaches, which in turn lead you to premierships....crowds figures are important to a clubs future

[evertonfc]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/stkilda.html
2007 Home 417,135 11games Average I assume 37,921
Away445,707 11 games (Average I assume)40,519


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2007.html

Well, there's our answer.

Our 'big team' reputation pulls in opposition fans...clearly. We've got a pretty small travelling fan base, too, and we always seem to struggle to bring fans to the MCG or when we play away at the Dome.

I think we need to be averaging well over 40,000 per week per home game.

[redwhite&blackblood]

Don't we need 30,000 to break even on Home games at TD? From my understanding they changed the gate taking rules a couple of years ago so that the home team gets all of the gate profits? Unless by arrangement with the opposing club eg. Essendon and Collingwood for Anzac day the profits are split?

[saintbrat]

Its not an either-or equation, big crowds raise revenue, revenue is spent on facilities and coaches, which in turn lead you to premierships....crowds figures are important to a clubs future

agree-it's amust to get crowds and members, crowds mean exposure- exposure means sponsors, sponsors bring more exposure and around it goes.
but still hard to compete against the 'blockbuster' Queens Birthday or Anzac day. How many from here are likely to go and watch Bulldogs vs Roos? But will go to the' event'- pies vs Bombers because its the 'day

2007 AFL season From Wikipedia,
Away
Melbourne Demons 9.8 (62) St Kilda Saints 13.15 (93) MCG 49,490 Friday, March 30 AFL.com.au
Brisbane Lions 15.12 (102) St Kilda Saints 7.8 (50) The Gabba 28,266 Thursday, April 5 AFL.com.au
Port Adelaide Power 14.12 (96) St Kilda Saints 6.7 (43) AAMI Stadium 24,438 Friday, April 27 AFL.com.au
Hawthorn Hawks 10.12 (72) St Kilda Saints 6.8 (44) MCG 36,063 Saturday, May 19 AFL.com.au
Fremantle Dockers 15.11 (101) St Kilda Saints 6.19 (55) Subiaco Oval 39,034 Friday, May 25 AFL.com.au
West Coast Eagles 11.10 (76) St Kilda Saints 15.9 (99) Subiaco Oval 39,401 Sunday, June 24 AFL.com.au
Collingwood Magpies 12.17 (89) St Kilda Saints 12.8 (80) MCG 57,247 Saturday, July 7 AFL.com.au
Carlton Blues 15.11 (101) St Kilda Saints 16.15 (111) Telstra Dome 32,327 Saturday, 28 July
Western Bulldogs 12.13 (85) St Kilda Saints 12.13 (85) Telstra Dome 33,600 Friday, 3 August
Sydney Swans 12.10 (82) St Kilda Saints 9.11 (65) Telstra Stadium 63,369 Saturday, 11 August
Richmond Tigers 13.14 (92) St Kilda Saints 14.18 (102) MCG 42,472 Saturday, 1 September

Home
St Kilda Saints 17.14 (116) Western Bulldogs 9.12 (66) Telstra Dome 38,474 Saturday, April 14 AFL
St Kilda Saints 9.14 (68) Essendon Bombers 15.9 (99) Telstra Dome 47,605 Saturday, April 21 AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 18.17 (125) Carlton Blues 11.16 (82) Telstra Dome 45,513 Friday, May 4 AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 15.7 (97) Sydney Swans 11.5 (71) Telstra Dome 37,816 Saturday, May 12 AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 9.11 (65) Geelong Cats 19.11 (125) Telstra Dome 42,188 Sunday, June 3 AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 8.10 (58) Kangaroos 11.14 (80) Telstra Dome 34,569 Sunday, June 10 AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 17.15 (117) Richmond Tigers 15.10 (100) Telstra Dome 38,689 Saturday, June 30
St Kilda Saints 11.16 (82) Adelaide Crows 12.8 (80) Telstra Dome 32,210 Friday, July 13 AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 14.11 (95) Hawthorn Hawks 11.12 (78) Telstra Dome 37,847 Saturday, 21 July AFL.com.au
St Kilda Saints 19.12 (126) Fremantle Dockers 14.12 (96) Telstra Dome 24,041 Saturday, 18 August
St Kilda Saints 14.14 (98) West Coast Eagles 16.10 (106) Telstra Dome 38,183 Friday, 24 August

Smallest- under 30,00 Port at AAMI and Freo at the Dome and Lions at Gabba
Largest- Sydney at T Stadium-included 13,100 pink lady still 50,000, Pies, Dees (rd1) at the MCG and Bombers and Blues at Dome

[Mr Magic]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/stkilda.html
2007 Home 417,135 11games Average I assume 37,921
Away445,707 11 games (Average I assume)40,519


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2007.html

Well, there's our answer.

Our 'big team' reputation pulls in opposition fans...clearly. We've got a pretty small travelling fan base, too, and we always seem to struggle to bring fans to the MCG or when we play away at the Dome.

I think we need to be averaging well over 40,000 per week per home game.

I'm sorry to disagree on this one with you Everton.

Until you get a 30 game season where each team plays all other teams home and away, you really cannot make any sensible assesment.
We play Collingwood at the G and they get 60,000+ attendance, but don't play them at the Dome (our home game) and therefore our home attendance is affected by not having the opportunity to have a 45,000+ gate.

Instead we play home games against Freo, WCE and to a lesser extent Sydney which serve to deflate our home attendance average because the bulk of their fans don't come to H&A games in Melbourne.

The truth is you can make statistics 'work' for whichever side of the argument you want.

[yipper]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/stkilda.html
2007 Home 417,135 11games Average I assume 37,921
Away445,707 11 games (Average I assume)40,519


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2007.html

Well, there's our answer.

Our 'big team' reputation pulls in opposition fans...clearly. We've got a pretty small travelling fan base, too, and we always seem to struggle to bring fans to the MCG or when we play away at the Dome.

I think we need to be averaging well over 40,000 per week per home game.

I'm sorry to disagree on this one with you Everton.

Until you get a 30 game season where each team plays all other teams home and away, you really cannot make any sensible assesment.
We play Collingwood at the G and they get 60,000+ attendance, but don't play them at the Dome (our home game) and therefore our home attendance is affected by not having the opportunity to have a 45,000+ gate.

Instead we play home games against Freo, WCE and to a lesser extent Sydney which serve to deflate our home attendance average because the bulk of their fans don't come to H&A games in Melbourne.

The truth is you can make statistics 'work' for whichever side of the argument you want.

Exactly - and you could also say that the 65000 that attended the Sydney away game weren't there to watch the Swines - given they were below us on the "Attendance ladder". So they may have actually come along to watch us!!??

[evertonfc]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/stkilda.html
2007 Home 417,135 11games Average I assume 37,921
Away445,707 11 games (Average I assume)40,519


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2007.html

Well, there's our answer.

Our 'big team' reputation pulls in opposition fans...clearly. We've got a pretty small travelling fan base, too, and we always seem to struggle to bring fans to the MCG or when we play away at the Dome.

I think we need to be averaging well over 40,000 per week per home game.

I'm sorry to disagree on this one with you Everton.

Until you get a 30 game season where each team plays all other teams home and away, you really cannot make any sensible assesment.
We play Collingwood at the G and they get 60,000+ attendance, but don't play them at the Dome (our home game) and therefore our home attendance is affected by not having the opportunity to have a 45,000+ gate.

Instead we play home games against Freo, WCE and to a lesser extent Sydney which serve to deflate our home attendance average because the bulk of their fans don't come to H&A games in Melbourne.

The truth is you can make statistics 'work' for whichever side of the argument you want.

Exactly - and you could also say that the 65000 that attended the Sydney away game weren't there to watch the Swines - given they were below us on the "Attendance ladder". So they may have actually come along to watch us!!??

[evertonfc]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/stkilda.html
2007 Home 417,135 11games Average I assume 37,921
Away445,707 11 games (Average I assume)40,519


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2007.html

Well, there's our answer.

Our 'big team' reputation pulls in opposition fans...clearly. We've got a pretty small travelling fan base, too, and we always seem to struggle to bring fans to the MCG or when we play away at the Dome.

I think we need to be averaging well over 40,000 per week per home game.

I'm sorry to disagree on this one with you Everton.

Until you get a 30 game season where each team plays all other teams home and away, you really cannot make any sensible assesment.
We play Collingwood at the G and they get 60,000+ attendance, but don't play them at the Dome (our home game) and therefore our home attendance is affected by not having the opportunity to have a 45,000+ gate.

Instead we play home games against Freo, WCE and to a lesser extent Sydney which serve to deflate our home attendance average because the bulk of their fans don't come to H&A games in Melbourne.

The truth is you can make statistics 'work' for whichever side of the argument you want.

Not sure about that. Your argument doesn't seem to add up - which home games of ours would have drawn a bigger attendance at the MCG, given we didn't sell-out any of our Telstra Dome games?

(And I don't want to hear the old "Oh, but they never draw over 48,000/Medallion/Fully-ticketed" type arguments - they went out the night we drew 52,539 against Brisbane in 2004.)

[Mr Magic]

Huh?

I didn't mention the MCG in my post. What I said was we had home games against low drawing clubs like Freo, WCE and Sydney but didn't have home game against Collingwood. Therefore we didn't have the opportunity to 'boost' our average by hosting the Pies at home. I'd be curious to know what the attendances were in the 2 games v Richmond and also the 2 games v Carlton.

What attendance did Melbourne get when they hosted Freo, PA, Adelaide, WCE, Sydney?

You were making the point that our away games were averaging lower than our home games.

If your opponent plays in a ground with a capacity twice yours how can you compare the figures?

Yes I would love to have a home attendance figure greater than 40,000 but that is an average of 80% of ground capacity. If you extrapolate that to the MCG it is equivalent to an average attendance of 80,000, which no-one does.
Again this is a case of me making statistics tell me what I want them to.

If I can presume to, JD was trying to point out that even in this season of 'doom and gloom' some things were positive. I got the impression that you were trying to negate that 'positive view?

[Mr Magic]

Hypothetically,
I think if you 'swapped' the home game against Freo that we had with a home game against Collingwood we would actually average over 40,000 per home game.

That's why comparisons when you don't play every team home and away are difficult to make.

[Sainternist]

I don't get it.
Richmond (the bottom club) games are 3rd largest for h&a attendances
how does that work out?

[saintbrat]

Richmond Games at the MCG VS Pies- twice , Bombers- part of some farewell tour and the Blues.

also had quite afew games in the mid 20,000 but crowds at subi twice.

[Oh When the Saints]

We played more games in Melbourne this year ...

There were more teams in Melbourne who were successful than in the past 4 years.

Therefore more Melburnians turn up to the footy.


Crowd figures would be up for most of the Vic clubs in '07 ... simply because of the success of the majority of the teams ...