I think this is the beginning of the end for the St.KFC - In fighting amongst fellow Saint supporters, lack of interestin the game from several members and corruption in the league itself - not to mention all other 15 clubs hate us.....
mark my words, if this continues, the saints will be extinct within ten years.....
The manure has hit the air circulator...
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If you're wrong, and the St Kilda Football Club is still around in 10 years, no one will remember this post.
On the other hand, if you're right, and the St Kilda Football Club is extinct in 10 years ... no one will remember this post.
On the other hand, if you're right, and the St Kilda Football Club is extinct in 10 years ... no one will remember this post.
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I disagree. If we're made of anything as a club - supporters, players, directors, it will urge us on even more. Hopefully to premiership glory.
Yes, these f*****s at the AFL are doing everything in their power to stop it, but they can't stop Roo from running, Kosi from flying, Harvey from sidestepping, Bally from tackling, Dal from dodging.......
Will the real St Kilda now stand up? YES, YES, YES........
On the pitch the players will play and in the stands, we will cheer. I am quite confidant of that. I now back the boys to do it. To go all the way and show these arseholes what we're made of.
GO SAINTS.
Yes, these f*****s at the AFL are doing everything in their power to stop it, but they can't stop Roo from running, Kosi from flying, Harvey from sidestepping, Bally from tackling, Dal from dodging.......
Will the real St Kilda now stand up? YES, YES, YES........
On the pitch the players will play and in the stands, we will cheer. I am quite confidant of that. I now back the boys to do it. To go all the way and show these arseholes what we're made of.
GO SAINTS.
Hird... The unflushable one is now... just a turd...
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Perhaps a tad melodramatic methinks.
This business about Baker is simply a symptom of a problem our club faces that isn't new.
Basically, for most of the rest of the AFL world, we have been seen as being far too big for our boots in recent years. GT was in a way clever at getting most of the hostility and venom directed towards him rather than the club and the players: but, at root, our rightful place is seen by most to be struggling at the bottom of the table rather than playing in the finals most years.
Most of the AFL world thinks that it was totally unfair for us to be able to snaffle Riewoldt, Kosi, Dal, Ball, Goddard, etc. We were seen as doing it by deliberately tanking for several seasons: never mind that there were extenuating circumstances (eg, Timmy Watson) or that others have tanked more systematically and blatantly since. Unfortunately for us, nobody has yet been as successful in using the draft to elevate themselves up the table, so we are seen as the #1 draft cheats.
Most of the AFL world also couldn't care less if we sink or swim. They don't seem to care about the fact that we have a huge potential fan base south and south-east of the city: or else, they covet those fans for their ailing clubs. They don't see us as a club with much of a glorious tradition: we are the party club, not lovable battlers like the Dogs, or the one-time glamour boys like the Dees, Hawks or Tigers, or a club like Carlton, whose rightful place is at the top of the table but - like some British aristocrat who has blown their inheritance at the racecourse - is just a bit down on their luck at present but is sure to come good. We certainly don't have powerful friends at the top of the AFL like the Kangaroos.
We are seen as the party boys: a bit inclined to break the rules on and off the field, unpredictable and unreliable.
The treatment of Baker is an example of this problem in a microcosm. He is basically a clean player (other than his idiotic rushes of blood to the head, for which he deserves everything he gets). But he isn't seen this way outside of our club. He is seen as a dirty, niggling, sniping cheat who constantly impedes star players behind the back of the cameras and umpires. It's crap, but it's the way the rest of the AFL sees him: he's a dirty, arrogant, uppity little cheat like the whole St Kilda club are dirty, arrogant, uppity little cheats: rorting the draft system, daring to criticise the umps and to accuse them of being corrupt, daring to complain about the grossly unfair draw, etc., etc.
If you don't believe that this is how the rest of the AFL world sees Bakes, just note the deafening silence in the media of anyone coming forward to say how unfair the whole process has been.
It ain't fair, but it's the way things are for our club. If you don't like it, go and support Essendon or Collingwood.
If it turns you off AFL, go and find another sport. But I suspect that you will find that - like life - all sports feature one rule for the powerful and favoured teams and players and another rule for the outsiders.
That said, I think the AFL is unique in how blatantly, unprofessionally and often embarrasingly biased and corrupt their processes and decisions are. But that's our game in 2007.
In the end, the market (particularly the TV audiences) will decide whether it continues that way: personally, I think the umpiring is getting close to the point where they will soon need to make a dramatic gesture like appointing Sheeds to restructure it.
And they are going to need to do something about the blatant cheating by the Swans: I wouldn't be surprised to see them destroyed by the umpires in their next two games and miss the finals. And I don't think the AFL would mind at all if a Melbourne team won the flag this year: stand by for every sort of conceivable help being given to the Kangaroos (an AFL darling, not just because of Demetriou but also because, since the departure of Carey, they are the Melbourne team that the supporters of other clubs would probably least object to seeing win the thing).
Anyway, enough of this rant.
This business about Baker is simply a symptom of a problem our club faces that isn't new.
Basically, for most of the rest of the AFL world, we have been seen as being far too big for our boots in recent years. GT was in a way clever at getting most of the hostility and venom directed towards him rather than the club and the players: but, at root, our rightful place is seen by most to be struggling at the bottom of the table rather than playing in the finals most years.
Most of the AFL world thinks that it was totally unfair for us to be able to snaffle Riewoldt, Kosi, Dal, Ball, Goddard, etc. We were seen as doing it by deliberately tanking for several seasons: never mind that there were extenuating circumstances (eg, Timmy Watson) or that others have tanked more systematically and blatantly since. Unfortunately for us, nobody has yet been as successful in using the draft to elevate themselves up the table, so we are seen as the #1 draft cheats.
Most of the AFL world also couldn't care less if we sink or swim. They don't seem to care about the fact that we have a huge potential fan base south and south-east of the city: or else, they covet those fans for their ailing clubs. They don't see us as a club with much of a glorious tradition: we are the party club, not lovable battlers like the Dogs, or the one-time glamour boys like the Dees, Hawks or Tigers, or a club like Carlton, whose rightful place is at the top of the table but - like some British aristocrat who has blown their inheritance at the racecourse - is just a bit down on their luck at present but is sure to come good. We certainly don't have powerful friends at the top of the AFL like the Kangaroos.
We are seen as the party boys: a bit inclined to break the rules on and off the field, unpredictable and unreliable.
The treatment of Baker is an example of this problem in a microcosm. He is basically a clean player (other than his idiotic rushes of blood to the head, for which he deserves everything he gets). But he isn't seen this way outside of our club. He is seen as a dirty, niggling, sniping cheat who constantly impedes star players behind the back of the cameras and umpires. It's crap, but it's the way the rest of the AFL sees him: he's a dirty, arrogant, uppity little cheat like the whole St Kilda club are dirty, arrogant, uppity little cheats: rorting the draft system, daring to criticise the umps and to accuse them of being corrupt, daring to complain about the grossly unfair draw, etc., etc.
If you don't believe that this is how the rest of the AFL world sees Bakes, just note the deafening silence in the media of anyone coming forward to say how unfair the whole process has been.
It ain't fair, but it's the way things are for our club. If you don't like it, go and support Essendon or Collingwood.
If it turns you off AFL, go and find another sport. But I suspect that you will find that - like life - all sports feature one rule for the powerful and favoured teams and players and another rule for the outsiders.
That said, I think the AFL is unique in how blatantly, unprofessionally and often embarrasingly biased and corrupt their processes and decisions are. But that's our game in 2007.
In the end, the market (particularly the TV audiences) will decide whether it continues that way: personally, I think the umpiring is getting close to the point where they will soon need to make a dramatic gesture like appointing Sheeds to restructure it.
And they are going to need to do something about the blatant cheating by the Swans: I wouldn't be surprised to see them destroyed by the umpires in their next two games and miss the finals. And I don't think the AFL would mind at all if a Melbourne team won the flag this year: stand by for every sort of conceivable help being given to the Kangaroos (an AFL darling, not just because of Demetriou but also because, since the departure of Carey, they are the Melbourne team that the supporters of other clubs would probably least object to seeing win the thing).
Anyway, enough of this rant.
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Rubbish to the OP...
All it shows is that there is alot of passion for the Saints and about the Saints......
And don't make the mistake of take the microcosm of Saintsational to be fully representative of Saints fans.
Many are quite rightly hurting at pressent and are mightilly annoyed.........
....however where we need to vent it is with support of the saints against the Eagles tinight.
Once the siren blows............................
All it shows is that there is alot of passion for the Saints and about the Saints......
And don't make the mistake of take the microcosm of Saintsational to be fully representative of Saints fans.
Many are quite rightly hurting at pressent and are mightilly annoyed.........
....however where we need to vent it is with support of the saints against the Eagles tinight.
Once the siren blows............................
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Exactly - get a grip ppl sheesh..cowboy18 wrote:My suggestion - go and have a read of this.
These sorts of things have followed this club since before entry into the comp in 1897. We'll deal with it and come out stronger and with one more tale for the grandkids when we con them into following our team.
I want to stand for something. I'm a loyal person and I think at the end of my career it will be great to look back and know that I'm a St Kilda person for life.
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last time i checked we still had 22 fit fireing blokes readdy to run our for our club tonight
bakes is one player he got shafted and it sucks but its hardly the end of the world
if it make you feel better imgine bakes is injured for 7 games
the sun comes up each morning WE ARE ST KILDA WE WILL FIGHT ON !!!
bakes is one player he got shafted and it sucks but its hardly the end of the world
if it make you feel better imgine bakes is injured for 7 games
the sun comes up each morning WE ARE ST KILDA WE WILL FIGHT ON !!!
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Disagree - I think that this latest injustice cold be the one that inspires us to stand up and show the rest of the AFL world what we are capable of.
I think that the message from the AFL is that we will be on the outer with them regardless of whether we tow their line. Time to stand up and be the "Bad Boys" that they paint us to be.
I think that the message from the AFL is that we will be on the outer with them regardless of whether we tow their line. Time to stand up and be the "Bad Boys" that they paint us to be.
[quote="Richter"]I disagree. If we're made of anything as a club - supporters, players, directors, it will urge us on even more. Hopefully to premiership glory.
Yes, these f*****s at the AFL are doing everything in their power to stop it, but they can't stop Roo from running, Kosi from flying, Harvey from sidestepping, Bally from tackling, Dal from dodging.......
Will the real St Kilda now stand up? YES, YES, YES........
On the pitch the players will play and in the stands, we will cheer. I am quite confidant of that. I now back the boys to do it. To go all the way and show these arseholes what we're made of.
GO SAINTS.[/quote
well... i'm going tonight...and i will cheer myself horse......]
Yes, these f*****s at the AFL are doing everything in their power to stop it, but they can't stop Roo from running, Kosi from flying, Harvey from sidestepping, Bally from tackling, Dal from dodging.......
Will the real St Kilda now stand up? YES, YES, YES........
On the pitch the players will play and in the stands, we will cheer. I am quite confidant of that. I now back the boys to do it. To go all the way and show these arseholes what we're made of.
GO SAINTS.[/quote
well... i'm going tonight...and i will cheer myself horse......]
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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yes....and yes.....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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