Baker did something wrong

[sainter58]

Do the crime, Do the time.
I was on level 2 in the medallion stand, at the front watching these two players when Baker elbowed Farmer in the face.
I saw it and several others around me saw it also.

He is guilty of striking, i'm hoping nothing happens but lets face it. He will get 4 weeks minimum. Reason. He is a Stkilda Player.

[rodgerfox]

In that case, he's guilty of striking - not rough play.

Sounds like either you or the Freo official were mistaken.

[Solar]

how did he elbow him, was he just running past, did he mean to elbow him, what happened before and after. Which postition of the field did this happen in....

do tell because we have had so many different stories so far

[st_Trav_ofWA]

thats a conflicting story to what we have heard all day

[B W and R all over]

OK, well our defence has to consist of five words.

Barry Hall, Preliminary Final, 2005.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

no our case should be "Prove it ! "

[sainter58]

He ran at him and lifted his elbow. once he struck he kept running towards southern goals. I would say Farmer said something to him and Bakes Retaliated. Maybe he could say something like what was said to headland.

[Iceman234]

Do the crime, Do the time.
I was on level 2 in the medallion stand, at the front watching these two players when Baker elbowed Farmer in the face.
I saw it and several others around me saw it also.

He is guilty of striking, i'm hoping nothing happens but lets face it. He will get 4 weeks minimum. Reason. He is a Stkilda Player.

Big gutsy call from a long time member who is clearly not a troll.

I hope it's not seen that way at the tribunal for Bakes' and Saints' sake, but good on you for having the nads to pipe up.

As opposed to the crappy Dockers forum I'm sure this thread won't be deleted or edited.

That's why we have a great site.

[bigcarl]

Do the crime, Do the time.
I was on level 2 in the medallion stand, at the front watching these two players when Baker elbowed Farmer in the face.
I saw it and several others around me saw it also.

careful. you might be called in as a witness for the prosecution

[rodgerfox]

He ran at him and lifted his elbow. once he struck he kept running towards southern goals. I would say Farmer said something to him and Bakes Retaliated. Maybe he could say something like what was said to headland.

Apparently Baker has a lump on his head from the impact.

The popular version is that Farmer ran into Baker, are you saying Baker ran into Farmer?

That is completely contradictory to what is being said publicly.

[saint66au]

This heaading of this thread is EXTREMELY misleading..given the hearing tonight

Just gave me a heart attack..any chance you can reword it?????

[st_Trav_ofWA]

He ran at him and lifted his elbow. once he struck he kept running towards southern goals. I would say Farmer said something to him and Bakes Retaliated. Maybe he could say something like what was said to headland.

again they have to prove he is guilty b4 we need to tell them why or how he did it
the prosicution has to prove hes guilty not baker prove hes innocent , i think its called burden of proof
unless there are diff rules for the trybunal to that of the legal system ?

[Mr Magic]

Do the crime, Do the time.
I was on level 2 in the medallion stand, at the front watching these two players when Baker elbowed Farmer in the face.
I saw it and several others around me saw it also.

He is guilty of striking, i'm hoping nothing happens but lets face it. He will get 4 weeks minimum. Reason. He is a Stkilda Player.

Big gutsy call from a long time member who is clearly not a troll.

I hope it's not seen that way at the tribunal for Bakes' and Saints' sake, but good on you for having the nads to pipe up.

As opposed to the crappy Dockers forum I'm sure this thread won't be deleted or edited.

That's why we have a great site.

Sainter58, I'm a bit non-plussed so would love some information please
.
Why didn't you post this yesterday or the day before? There have literally been 100's of posts on this matter and yet not a single indication of anything like this?
There have been numerous telephone calls to talkback radio and not 1 person who claimed to have seen the incident has said anything like what you saw?

Given what you saw, how do you explain the apparent bump on the back of Bakes' head?

If what you saw is correct, then why has Bakes been charged with 'rough play' rather than 'striking'?

[Dan Warna]

well if the tribunal finds him guilty and he is guilty so be it.

pity he didn't break farmers jaw then

[QueenC]

pity he didn't break farmers jaw then

What the odds of him actually lining up this week anyway?

[Iceman234]

pity he didn't break farmers jaw then

What the odds of him actually lining up this week anyway?

Depends what time he makes bail.....

[St Chris]

He ran at him and lifted his elbow. once he struck he kept running towards southern goals. I would say Farmer said something to him and Bakes Retaliated. Maybe he could say something like what was said to headland.

again they have to prove he is guilty b4 we need to tell them why or how he did it
the prosicution has to prove hes guilty not baker prove hes innocent , i think its called burden of proof
unless there are diff rules for the trybunal to that of the legal system ?

Surely week in week out we're shown that infact all players who front the tribunal are guilty and must prove their innocence. In this case, he's guilty because of the jumper he wears, and the word of the almighty FIGJAM.

If this was a case in a proper court of law, there wouldn't even be enough evidence to get it in front of a magistrate.

I knew doing legal studies back in year 11 would come in handy one day

[QueenC]

pity he didn't break farmers jaw then

What the odds of him actually lining up this week anyway?

Depends what time he makes bail.....

Hee !!!

But Farmer always rips the Dees in half and while I think we have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, life would be better if he wasn't on the ground this week.

[rodgerfox]

well if the tribunal finds him guilty and he is guilty so be it.

I agree.

If you do the crime, then I hve no issue with doing the time.

The problem is that I don't believe we've done the crimes in the past, whilst other clubs have yet haven't done the time.

Baker's kicking suspension, and the unbelievable 'attempted jumper punch' one I just cannot get over.

If he did what Sainter58 says (although it's a very different version of events to what other 'witnesses' have said) then I don't have an issue with him being found guilty.

If what the other witnesses say is true though, and he gets found guilty - my support of anything to do with the AFL will cease immediately.

Enough is enough.

[Dan Warna]

i have stated a number of times I dont support the AFL any more.

I support st kilda.

I've gone from being a footy fan, to a st kilda fan to a st kilda member.

I guess im bit like the drunk gambler.

I keep tipping money in till the eventual premiership.

when we win one, Im gonna be there.

[Mr X from the West]

So IF (note emphasis) Sainter58 is correct then Baker is also guilty of a freeking big lie to his coach when he said he didn't do anything reportable.

I think Lyon will take a pretty dim view of deliberately being lied to.

[Solar]

I'm confused, why post this when disapear when asked to add to it.....

[QueenC]

Surely week in week out we're shown that infact all players who front the tribunal are guilty and must prove their innocence.

Week in week out we are shown that a number of incidents which bare a striking similarity to each other are viewed completely differently when being acted out by different players.

In this case, he's guilty because of the jumper he wears, and the word of the almighty FIGJAM.

I really wish that wasn't true 'cause it is so pathetically sad

If this was a case in a proper court of law, there wouldn't even be enough evidence to get it in front of a magistrate.

But this I am not sure about, I was severely assaulted a few years ago and was one of only a few witnesses to the attack in court. Now there was no other evidence o(footage or DNA etc), just other witness statements including mine (the victim).

Will Farmer be called on by the AFL to give evidence?

[St. Luke]

The problem is that I don't believe we've done the crimes in the past, whilst other clubs have yet haven't done the time.

Baker's kicking suspension, and the unbelievable 'attempted jumper punch' one I just cannot get over.

I totally agree! That jumper punch rubbish was laughable! About time we were let off the hook for an inconsistency with their video footage!

[sainter58]

From where i was sitting, the game was very close from where i normally sit on level 3. Look there could of been a clash of heads and bakes lifted his elbow up to protect him but it looked like bakes elbow hit Farmer in the face.
The two players where slightly on an angle to where we where sitting. Farmer goes to the ground and Baker runs away. The chance of it being accidental i would say are very slim. My position in the medallion club was behind Freo's interchange bench on level 2, 3 rows from front. There was nobody sitting in front so my view was clear.