Tim Paine

[cwrcyn]

Well, what a dick

He really cocked it up

Does this mean he has to field at short leg now, or will he be fielding at hard on?

Some guys go out leg before wicket, but it appears Tim got out wicket before leg


Oh, the Paine

[Wayne42]

Tim Paine has stood down as Australia captain after being investigated by Cricket Australia over sending a co-worker an explicit image of himself along with a string of lewd messages.
Paine said he was involved in a text exchange with a female former employee of Cricket Tasmania (CT) in late 2017.

The 36-year-old was promoted to captain following the ball tampering scandal in South Africa in 2018 but has resigned in shame following the latest scandal to rock Australian cricket.

He addressed the media in Hobart on Friday afternoon to make the announcement, reading a brief statement but refusing to take questions.

Paine said the text exchange had been previously investigated by Cricket Australia (CA) and he had been "exonerated'.

The 36-year-old was made aware recently the text exchange would become public and chose to step down, but he will remain a member of Australia's men's Test squad.

"It's an incredibly difficult decision, but the right one for me, my family, and cricket,"

[WellardSaint]

News.com.au is reporting that the alleged lady didn't lodge a complaint until a year later, when she was terminated from Cricket Tassie over alleged theft charges.
'Twist in the story' they said.
Paine married Bonnie in 2016, the sexting happened a year later.
You have to shake your head

[Wayne42]

I wonder if the General read about Paine today and thought, ahh, i'm not the only sportsperson who has a texting problem.

[shanegrambeau]

News.com.au is reporting that the alleged lady didn't lodge a complaint until a year later, when she was terminated from Cricket Tassie over alleged theft charges.
'Twist in the story' they said.
Paine married Bonnie in 2016, the sexting happened a year later.
You have to shake your head

What do you shake your head at?

1) Tim’s impulsiveness?
2) The girl deciding to trash him when she was fired for stealing?
3) the media?
4) The Tasmanian Cricket Board?
5) Human Nature

Is it ‘stupid’ to send anyone a picture?
Is it ‘stupid’ to watch porn?

OK
I’m being awkward and obviously I expect the reflex response is that he is a fool. And he sure looks foolish now.
But it is not against the law to send pictures if they are mutually consenting.

Trouble is …well, things can turn.

[st.byron]

So does he retain his spot now he's not captain?
Carey, Phillipe, Inglis.......now he has to hold his spot on merit as keeper.

[Vortex]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Nothing to see here.

[Vortex]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

[Yorkeys]

Thoughts:
So it was known about when Tim was appointed to present a sanitised image of Aussie cricket, but hushed? Good judgement? Sutherland did know? or didn't know ? so as CEO didn't have an inside network. Now "running" Golf Australia, heaven help us.

Agree with Vortex that penalty seems to exceed any crime. Discussion with wife must have been strained.
No more burnt keeper gloves adverts with the boys, box jokes etc . Kookaburra possibly have moved on from wanting Tim as a rep.
Lucky he got his neck surgery paid for before hand.

Please not Smith or Warner.

Assume Tim is a Saints supporter and that's why topic is on point.

Wish Aaron Finch was in top form - perhaps a Mike Brealey type captain appointment.

[Wayne42]

IMO after sandpapergate Smith and Warner shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a leadership role.

How could they be role models after that scandal.

[st.byron]

Thoughts:
So it was known about when Tim was appointed to present a sanitised image of Aussie cricket, but hushed? Good judgement? Sutherland did know? or didn't know ? so as CEO didn't have an inside network. Now "running" Golf Australia, heaven help us.

Agree with Vortex that penalty seems to exceed any crime. Discussion with wife must have been strained.
No more burnt keeper gloves adverts with the boys, box jokes etc . Kookaburra possibly have moved on from wanting Tim as a rep.
Lucky he got his neck surgery paid for before hand.

Please not Smith or Warner.

Assume Tim is a Saints supporter and that's why topic is on point.

Wish Aaron Finch was in top form - perhaps a Mike Brealey type captain appointment.

Thought a similar thing myself. So it was all okay to be captain of Australia when hardly anyone knew about it. But once it was clear it was going to become public, then "no no have to resign".

So it's not the actual behaviour itself that is the problem, it's the public knowing about it that's the problem. A nice little microcosm of the level of integrity (sic) that Cricket Australia has.
Excessive wokeness or not in the decision to stand him down, the real indicator of where admin and management of the game is at is this kind of behaviour.
Brand/Image 1 Integrity 0.

P.S James Sutherland - what a f***** slippery little rat that dude is. All spin.

[realdeal]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

Agreed. What's this got to do with cricket or the public.. 4yrs ago pfft.. who gives a toss

[bangaulegend]

You live & die by the sword & mobile phone messages are there for the world to see as soon as you send them . Pretty petty but this is the world we live in now everyone needs to be a lot smarter when it comes to what you post or send or it can come back to bite you big time & this incident just shows what a minute of madness can do to a career

[B.M]

Tell me there’s more than dick pics and sexting that has brought down a test Captain?!?!

[Vortex]

Tell me there’s more than dick pics and sexting that has brought down a test Captain?!?!

Exactly

[saynta]

Tell me there’s more than dick pics and sexting that has brought down a test Captain?!?!

I agree with you but for the life of me why would a recently married mature, supposedly responsible, man all of a sudden turn into a flasher, 'cause that's what dick pics really are.

Modern day adaptation of a very old sick behaviour.

[shanegrambeau]

Tell me there’s more than dick pics and sexting that has brought down a test Captain?!?!

I agree with you but for the life of me why would a recently married mature, supposedly responsible, man all of a sudden turn into a flasher, 'cause that's what dick pics really are.

Modern day adaptation of a very old sick behaviour.

Millions o pics sent like this everyday...many are requested.

But there is a great gap in consciousness ready to be exploited by the media.....just the 'that's dreadful...what's the world coming to?'...meme that is music to a news editor's ear...When it's the Aussie captain, it is Mozart.

[saynta]

Tell me there’s more than dick pics and sexting that has brought down a test Captain?!?!

I agree with you but for the life of me why would a recently married mature, supposedly responsible, man all of a sudden turn into a flasher, 'cause that's what dick pics really are.

Modern day adaptation of a very old sick behaviour.

Millions o pics sent like this everyday...many are requested.

But there is a great gap in consciousness ready to exploited by the media.....just the 'that's dreadful...what's the world coming to?'...meme that is music to a news editor's ear...When it's the Aussie captain, it is Mozart.

Only many out of f****** millions. That really is sick. So we have millions committing sick and probably criminal acts every day.

'In correspondence with cricket authorities in June 2018, the woman claimed she was offended by “Mr Paine’s sexually explicit, unwelcome and unsolicited photograph of his genitals in addition to the graphic sexual comments”.

[WellardSaint]

Tell me there’s more than dick pics and sexting that has brought down a test Captain?!?!

I agree with you but for the life of me why would a recently married mature, supposedly responsible, man all of a sudden turn into a flasher, 'cause that's what dick pics really are.

Modern day adaptation of a very old sick behaviour.

Married for a year at that point. A drunk teenager doing it, yeah. A married man? No way, 100% stupid

[cwrcyn]

I'm sure Tim's wife was thrilled to find out her husband was sending dick pics to another woman. Fabulous for his kids, too , no doubt.

Now, alot of us here grew up in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Imagine back then taking a picture of your schlong and mailing it to someone...........

[shanegrambeau]

I'm sure Tim's wife was thrilled to find out her husband was sending dick pics to another woman. Fabulous for his kids, too , no doubt.

Now, alot of us here grew up in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Imagine back then taking a picture of your schlong and mailing it to someone...........

With 40% of us getting divorced and God knows how many wishing they could/would ...we can be forgiven for thinking that kids don't exactly imagine it's a world of roses.

I am not defending it, it is just that with the explosion of technology during this generation's lifetime, this sort of thing is bound to happen.

That lawyer's message about the offence is clearly script and we are just not in a position to tell what was going on based on that alone.

The media of course can't be blamed either. They are simply taking advantage of the situation too.

Who knows, a mental counselor could also be involved. It is not hard to imagine a scenario (not saying it went down like this at all..)

1) Couple get infatuated
2) Can't meet, so text
3) Then pics..
4) one get's silly, goes overboard
5) other feels awkward but leaves it
6) One side (maybe the man) loses infatuation, the other a little scorned, the texter also worried about the trail, withdraws more, more scorn loss of respect
7) days, weeks, months, years...
8) one gets counseling for who knows what
8) one get's in trouble, end up on court
9) in defence, says...mental disorder
10) called to 'prove it'
11) PTSD ...is called...I was traumatized by texts
12) Tell us...tells and tells
12) media nuclear alarm

In no way, do I know what happened, or have any clues...i just image versions of this scenario being very plausible

[Wayne42]

I'm sure Tim's wife was thrilled to find out her husband was sending dick pics to another woman. Fabulous for his kids, too , no doubt.

Now, alot of us here grew up in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Imagine back then taking a picture of your schlong and mailing it to someone...........

With 40% of us getting divorced and God knows how many wishing they could/would ...we can be forgiven for thinking that kids don't exactly imagine it's a world of roses.

I am not defending it, it is just that with the explosion of technology during this generation's lifetime, this sort of thing is bound to happen.

That lawyer's message about the offence is clearly script and we are just not in a position to tell what was going on based on that alone.

The media of course can't be blamed either. They are simply taking advantage of the situation too.

Who knows, a mental counselor could also be involved. It is not hard to imagine a scenario (not saying it went down like this at all..)

1) Couple get infatuated
2) Can't meet, so text
3) Then pics..
4) one get's silly, goes overboard
5) other feels awkward but leaves it
6) One side (maybe the man) loses infatuation, the other a little scorned, the texter also worried about the trail, withdraws more, more scorn loss of respect
7) days, weeks, months, years...
8) one gets counseling for who knows what
8) one get's in trouble, end up on court
9) in defence, says...mental disorder
10) called to 'prove it'
11) PTSD ...is called...I was traumatized by texts
12) Tell us...tells and tells
12) media nuclear alarm

In no way, do I know what happened, or have any clues...i just image versions of this scenario being very plausible

She was at paines to blame Tim's dick.

[Sanctorum]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

I'm not sure if societal maturity has any relevance in this tawdry drama - yes, I understand that younger generations are far more permissive but that doesn't mean that these sorts of behaviours should be condoned, is unfettered debauchery (anything goes) really acceptable and the way to go?

For every incident of this type where high profile individual are exposed for offensive behaviour that is dragged through the media there will be innocent victims - how would you like to be his wife, his kids, his parents, how do you imagine the Paine family members will be feeling today??

By today's standards this may well be a 'trivial matter' and a regular occurrence, but when it is played out in the mass media it takes on a whole new dimension quite out of proportion had the two parties been nobodies.

This is why I find it staggering to think that neither Paine nor Cricket Australia had the nous to realise that sooner or later this affair would come to light - if Paine had not been appointed captain of the Australian Test team, one of the most prestigious leadership roles in the nation, it would have barely rated a mention.

I'm also astonished to read that CA have publicly declared that Paine is still in consideration for a spot in the team for the 1st test match at the Gabba in December - do they really believe that if Paine remains the wicketkeeper that the media are going to go easy on him, let alone a raucous Balmy Army??

Like it or not the fact is that so long as Paine remains on the stage of international cricket he will continue to be haunted by the media and the story will not go away.

Gideon Haigh, one of my favourite scribes has written a great story in today's Australian:

"PAINE'S REAL CRIME IS GETTING CAUGHT OUT

The great Yankees and Mets manager Casey Stengel was once asked that perennial question: did a player having sex ahead of a game impair athletic performance? No, he replied: the problems arose when a player went looking for sex.

If not perhaps in quite the way Stengel imagined it, Tim Paine now understands this to be true. The night before and morning of a Brisbane Test four years ago, Paine was nowhere near the object of his ardour, but his phone provided a point of connection, for an itch better left unscratched. Life went on, until more significant scratchings, in Cape Town in 2018. This turned Paine from a horny wicketkeeper into an upstanding captain — a Mr Clean, in fact, abruptly tasked with distancing Australian cricket from its gravest public relations disaster.

The board of Cricket Australia was unaware of Paine’s private peccadillos at the time of his appointment, but learned of them soon after, thanks to a complaint by the co-respondent, an employee of Cricket Tasmania. Two investigations deemed the matter private, and not to infringe the complex codes of conduct that contemporary cricketers are required to observe.

Paine proved, as we know, a sound choice — one on which CA regularly congratulated itself.

Now Paine’s prior indiscretion has reached out and tapped him on the shoulder, for reasons that will probably grow clearer as more emerges, but may not be unconnected to money. Paine’s embarrassment is, obviously, acute; so will be that of his family, on Friday unseen, but, no doubt, privately suffering.

Yet CA’s board has effectively chosen to add to their mortification, because to do otherwise is to endanger its corporate reputation — the reputation Paine helped hugely to rebuild. “On reflection,” Paine said sorrowfully on Friday, “my actions in 2017 do not meet the standards of an Australian cricket captain — or the wider community.”

But, of course, Paine was not captain in 2017. He had barely rejoined the team, having flirted with retirement before flirting with anyone else. And, y’know, about that wider community. After all, the last few years have hardly been a vintage period for exemplary behaviour in public life by anyone.

Premiers have brazenly routinely flouted declarations of interests. Government ministers have ridden out affairs with staffers. After his, the deputy prime minister served no more than a token period on the sidelines before blustering back to power.

Politicians were outraged by ball-tampering in 2018. This kind, not so much. On one level, it feels like we have reverted to the attitudes of July 2000 when Shane Warne lost the vice-captaincy for a not-dissimilar escapade when he was not representing Australia, not even in Australia, and that had nothing to do with the discharge of his cricket responsibilities.

Within ten years, this had become a subject of ribald humour. “This s*** is addictive/Thank God for predictive,” sang Eddie Perfect in Shane Warne: The Musical. ‘Sex is the best thing but next best is texting/What an SMS I’m in….”

But maybe it’s not the moral climate that has changed so much as the workplace climate, which is vastly more sensitive; what used to pass even between consenting adults no longer does. Sandpapergate, too, has left Australian cricket brittle, paranoid and reactive. Perhaps, too, there are factors of which we are unaware, contexts to which we are not privy. Who knew what when is always worth knowing.

Still, one wonders what point codes of conduct serve if their parameters only apply when subjects are confidential, and if their conclusions can be, effectively, retrospectively voided. The observation is open that what matters is not getting caught, and not thereby tarnishing the brand.

Which is an attitude that leads to more cynicism, not less; it looks silly, not serious. Let’s be honest. Australian cricketers have, since time immemorial, had normal human appetites and standard human weaknesses. They’ve performed great deeds on the cricket field; they’ve done stupid, impetuous, indiscrete things off it; they’ve left behind a lot of first wives too.

Seriously, imagine Keith Miller in the age of SMS. Great character that he was, you’d hardly have wanted to know about the pics on his phone.

Another line of Stengel’s comes to mind: “When you are younger you get blamed for crimes you never committed. When you’re older you get credit for virtues you never possessed.” In Paine’s case, this has perhaps been reversed. He can console himself with the great manager’s conclusion: “It evens itself out.”

[shanegrambeau]

I'm sure Tim's wife was thrilled to find out her husband was sending dick pics to another woman. Fabulous for his kids, too , no doubt.

Now, alot of us here grew up in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Imagine back then taking a picture of your schlong and mailing it to someone...........

With 40% of us getting divorced and God knows how many wishing they could/would ...we can be forgiven for thinking that kids don't exactly imagine it's a world of roses.

I am not defending it, it is just that with the explosion of technology during this generation's lifetime, this sort of thing is bound to happen.

That lawyer's message about the offence is clearly script and we are just not in a position to tell what was going on based on that alone.

The media of course can't be blamed either. They are simply taking advantage of the situation too.

Who knows, a mental counselor could also be involved. It is not hard to imagine a scenario (not saying it went down like this at all..)

1) Couple get infatuated
2) Can't meet, so text
3) Then pics..
4) one get's silly, goes overboard
5) other feels awkward but leaves it
6) One side (maybe the man) loses infatuation, the other a little scorned, the texter also worried about the trail, withdraws more, more scorn loss of respect
7) days, weeks, months, years...
8) one gets counseling for who knows what
8) one get's in trouble, end up on court
9) in defence, says...mental disorder
10) called to 'prove it'
11) PTSD ...is called...I was traumatized by texts
12) Tell us...tells and tells
12) media nuclear alarm

In no way, do I know what happened, or have any clues...i just image versions of this scenario being very plausible

She was at paines to blame Tim's dick.

Paines me to think of all the pain jokes circulating around Australia .

Imagine the Balmy Army will be singing songs about it if they can make it over here …..

Sand paper and Paine!

[shanegrambeau]

I'm sure Tim's wife was thrilled to find out her husband was sending dick pics to another woman. Fabulous for his kids, too , no doubt.

Now, alot of us here grew up in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Imagine back then taking a picture of your schlong and mailing it to someone...........

With 40% of us getting divorced and God knows how many wishing they could/would ...we can be forgiven for thinking that kids don't exactly imagine it's a world of roses.

I am not defending it, it is just that with the explosion of technology during this generation's lifetime, this sort of thing is bound to happen.

That lawyer's message about the offence is clearly script and we are just not in a position to tell what was going on based on that alone.

The media of course can't be blamed either. They are simply taking advantage of the situation too.

Who knows, a mental counselor could also be involved. It is not hard to imagine a scenario (not saying it went down like this at all..)

1) Couple get infatuated
2) Can't meet, so text
3) Then pics..
4) one get's silly, goes overboard
5) other feels awkward but leaves it
6) One side (maybe the man) loses infatuation, the other a little scorned, the texter also worried about the trail, withdraws more, more scorn loss of respect
7) days, weeks, months, years...
8) one gets counseling for who knows what
8) one get's in trouble, end up on court
9) in defence, says...mental disorder
10) called to 'prove it'
11) PTSD ...is called...I was traumatized by texts
12) Tell us...tells and tells
12) media nuclear alarm

In no way, do I know what happened, or have any clues...i just image versions of this scenario being very plausible

She was at paines to blame Tim's dick.

Paines me to think of all the pain jokes circulating around Australia .

Imagine the Balmy Army will be singing songs about it if they can make it over here …..

Sand paper and Paine!