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Re: Hayden McLean?

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Impatient Sainter wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 8:36am Sometimes you take players on what they can develop into, not their recent stats. McLean has shown he like most talls it takes time for them to reach their potential and he still has lots of room for improvement.
Good point...
We were into Draper before landing Ryder. He hadn't even played a senior game.
Looks like our interest and offer was justified based on this season for Essendon.


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Draper was clearly a ruckman (with potential)

McLean is not a ruckman or a KP forward
He is an undersized part time ruckman and a back up tall forward

He is like an all rounder that is handy at both but not good enough at either
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B.M wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 9:22am Draper was clearly a ruckman (with potential)

McLean is not a ruckman or a KP forward
He is an undersized part time ruckman and a back up tall forward

He is like an all rounder that is handy at both but not good enough at either
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Re: Hayden McLean?

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B.M wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 9:22am Draper was clearly a ruckman (with potential)

McLean is not a ruckman or a KP forward
He is an undersized part time ruckman and a back up tall forward

He is like an all rounder that is handy at both but not good enough at either
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In the end the club decides and we, "the fans" support or deride.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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B.M wrote: Thu 02 Sep 2021 12:17pm I rate any good player.

What is McLean?

A big forward with low production
Or
A small ruckman with low production

At 197cm 100kg he’s a similar size to Bruce but not half the ability as a forward?!

Let’s look at his output
8 Disposal pg
0.8 goals pg
3.5 marks pg
4 hit outs pg
2.5 tackles pg

What part of that suggests great pick up?!

Saw him play at Sandy, not that impressed

Hopefully Heath goes ok
Do you know how Heath is progressing?


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Not at all

But his junior career seemed to go alright

He’s 204 so genuine ruck size

But it’s hard to know with ruckman, they take a while to develop and may never?! Or they could end up worth the wait?!

McLean is undersized IMO and to be 197 you need to be athletically gifted.
I think he is more Shaun McKernan than P.Ryder


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Apparently, Heath finished the season playing school football and completely dominated in the ruck and went forward with the same results.
No real development, just running through witches hats, as the say..


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CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 1:34am Apparently, Heath finished the season playing school football and completely dominated in the ruck and went forward with the same results.
No real development, just running through witches hats, as the say..

Someone said he looks like and plays like a young Carl Ditterich. If he is half as good, we have found one.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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saynta wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 11:17am
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 1:34am Apparently, Heath finished the season playing school football and completely dominated in the ruck and went forward with the same results.
No real development, just running through witches hats, as the say..

Someone said he looks like and plays like a young Carl Ditterich. If he is half as good, we have found one.
Does that also mean Heath will end up at Melbourne. :shock: :shock:


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B.M wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 9:22am Draper was clearly a ruckman (with potential)

McLean is not a ruckman or a KP forward
He is an undersized part time ruckman and a back up tall forward

He is like an all rounder that is handy at both but not good enough at either
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McClean is 21, still could be anything. Was best first year player at Sandy and got drafted by the swans in a year when you thought he didn't show anything.

Leigh Brown, Zayne Cordy, Jordan Roughead, all say high with there premiership medallions. What where they great at? Plenty of other premiership players who were all rounders.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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saynta wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 11:17am
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 1:34am Apparently, Heath finished the season playing school football and completely dominated in the ruck and went forward with the same results.
No real development, just running through witches hats, as the say..

Someone said he looks like and plays like a young Carl Ditterich. If he is half as good, we have found one.
Hope he does not toss the ball UP in the air like Ditterich while kicking for goal.
The crowd would go wild when Ditterich marked within range.
I would groan and then watch the ball go out off bounds on the full.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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B.M wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 1:17am Not at all

But his junior career seemed to go alright

He’s 204 so genuine ruck size

But it’s hard to know with ruckman, they take a while to develop and may never?! Or they could end up worth the wait?!

McLean is undersized IMO and to be 197 you need to be athletically gifted.
I think he is more Shaun McKernan than P.Ryder
Heath replaces Alabakis as the project ruck. McLean replaces Mckernan as a backup forward who can pinch hit a little in the ruck - but he is not a ruck all day option like Marshall or Ryder. Still need to find another ruck to replace Hunter I think.


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ace wrote: Mon 06 Sep 2021 8:12pm
saynta wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 11:17am
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 1:34am Apparently, Heath finished the season playing school football and completely dominated in the ruck and went forward with the same results.
No real development, just running through witches hats, as the say..

Someone said he looks like and plays like a young Carl Ditterich. If he is half as good, we have found one.
Hope he does not toss the ball UP in the air like Ditterich while kicking for goal.
The crowd would go wild when Ditterich marked within range.
I would groan and then watch the ball go out off bounds on the full.
He actually raised the two flags 199 times, so not too many groans there. :wink:


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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Ditterich was a woeful kick

Check out the footage of him kicking - horrendous


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Re: Hayden McLean?

Post: # 1925243Post saynta »

B.M wrote: Tue 07 Sep 2021 2:29pm Ditterich was a woeful kick

Check out the footage of him kicking - horrendous
He still managed to kick 1 shy of 200 goals. That is 199 more than I kicked at that level. :lol:

I was there for his first game and possibly his last but I don't remember him being a woeful kick. Awkward yes, Woeful , no.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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Saynta

He did play nearly 300 games so he kicked about 0.7 a game …. A lot of those games he would’ve rested in the forward pocket.


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How many flags do they use to signal a 0.7 goal.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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The club was on the right track when they tried to snag Draper from the Bombers before he even played a game. Would love them to take a punt on someone who just needs a bit of opportunity.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

Post: # 1925533Post nostalgicsaint »

B.M

The problem with your recruiting views is you basically don't like the idea of recruiting anyone who isn't a brownlow medallist and comes cheaply.

Even in that circumstance I'm confident you'd be concerned there is something we dont know about causing them to be available.

At the end of the day, recruiting is about spotting value, if we can get a 21 year old who is rated by their current club to come to ours due to better opportunities or a longer term deal and it costs us a third or fourth round draft pick what's the problem?

Best case he makes it, worst he ties up a spot we'd fill with short term depth ala mckernan. They're not choosing between him and a young kid in the first couple rounds of the draft.


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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Seen him play

Don’t rate him highly, that’s all

Don’t see what sort of player he is???

Happy to be proved wrong, but I’m not sure what he’s done that’s been impressive.

What’s the point of drafting average players
Hunter, Abbott, McKernan

Average players add little


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Post: # 1925542Post Yorkeys »

Actually an average player would technically be better than 49 per cent of the list wouldn't they ? In best 23 perhaps.

Its recruiting into the lowest quartile that's been killing us.


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Wayne42 wrote: Wed 08 Sep 2021 7:46pm How many flags do they use to signal a 0.7 goal.
1.4 :lol: :lol:


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Re: Hayden McLean?

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Staying at the Swans.


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