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Re: Petracca

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B.M wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 9:40am Seb Ross with pick 25 would be a successful pick yeah?!


Max King has more talent than Rozee

Why would you suggest otherwise
Rozee was rated as high if not higher than King.


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Max King was the best pick IMO

Most would agree

He was touted to go at number 1, was a steal at 4 will end up the best player from that draft - we got lucky due to his injury!!!

C.Judd went at 3 due to injury
J.Selwood went at 7 due to injury

A lot of other players have been injury sliders in their draft year.

You draft a player for 10-15 years not the first 4 years

Players get over injuries.

Personally I would have taken King at 1, Walsh at 2, Rozee at 3, B.King at 4, Lukoscious 5 and Rankin at 6

202cm freak athletes with ability are rare

Not so much 193cm 100kg key forwards who can take a mark.


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Re: Petracca

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CURLY wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:24pm
samoht wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:04pm Petracca's achievements as a junior included winning the Larke Medal, the most valuable player at state level, and selection in the All-Australian and TAC Cup Team of the Year sides.
McCartin, as a key forward, wasn't kicking more goals (than Petracca), and McCartin was also a diabetic.
Why take risks with your no. 1 pick?

Freddy the blind pig would have recruited Petracca way ahead of McCartin. There was a big "pick me" neon sign flashing over Petracca that Eshaug couldn't see or completely ignored.

Elshaug had to make the case for McCartin, manufacture it ... he knew better than anyone else.
Splitting packs was more important to Elshaug than kicking goals.

Worst recruiting decision of all time.
McCartin was full forward in the same AA team.
If I can remember correctly the doggies just paid out a million bucks to recruit a full forward from GWS. We believed that we didn't have that sort of cash and McCartin was a good, and cheap, option.

I wanted Petracca but quickly accepted the saints pick.

As the saying goes, no use crying over spilt milk.


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Re: Petracca

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saynta wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:50am If I can remember correctly the doggies just paid out a million bucks to recruit a full forward from GWS. We believed that we didn't have that sort of cash and McCartin was a good, and cheap, option.
Two wrongs don't make a Wright (2 metre Peter is only on half a mill). :wink:


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saynta wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:50am If I can remember correctly the doggies just paid out a million bucks to recruit a full forward from GWS. We believed that we didn't have that sort of cash and McCartin was a good, and cheap, option.
LOL - comparing these two - I would rather Paddy [2015 - 2019]
- Tom Boyd - 52 Games - 42 Goals
- Paddy McCartin - 35 Games - 34 Goals

Paddy had issues - but for a Million Dollar Player .8 of a goal a game just is not good enough (1 goal per game is bad enough)


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Sainter_Dad wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 12:23pm
saynta wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:50am If I can remember correctly the doggies just paid out a million bucks to recruit a full forward from GWS. We believed that we didn't have that sort of cash and McCartin was a good, and cheap, option.
LOL - comparing these two - I would rather Paddy [2015 - 2019]
- Tom Boyd - 52 Games - 42 Goals
- Paddy McCartin - 35 Games - 34 Goals

Paddy had issues - but for a Million Dollar Player .8 of a goal a game just is not good enough (1 goal per game is bad enough)
Boyd was expensive SD but the Doggies ended up with a premiership - arguably Boyd's best game for them. The Dog's faithful probably would take that after 50 odd years of waiting.


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Re: Petracca

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CarlD wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 12:43pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 12:23pm
saynta wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:50am If I can remember correctly the doggies just paid out a million bucks to recruit a full forward from GWS. We believed that we didn't have that sort of cash and McCartin was a good, and cheap, option.
LOL - comparing these two - I would rather Paddy [2015 - 2019]
- Tom Boyd - 52 Games - 42 Goals
- Paddy McCartin - 35 Games - 34 Goals

Paddy had issues - but for a Million Dollar Player .8 of a goal a game just is not good enough (1 goal per game is bad enough)
Boyd was expensive SD but the Doggies ended up with a premiership - arguably Boyd's best game for them. The Dog's faithful probably would take that after 50 odd years of waiting.
Playing as a ruckman not a FF.


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Sainter_Dad wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 12:23pm
saynta wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:50am If I can remember correctly the doggies just paid out a million bucks to recruit a full forward from GWS. We believed that we didn't have that sort of cash and McCartin was a good, and cheap, option.
LOL - comparing these two - I would rather Paddy [2015 - 2019]
- Tom Boyd - 52 Games - 42 Goals
- Paddy McCartin - 35 Games - 34 Goals

Paddy had issues - but for a Million Dollar Player .8 of a goal a game just is not good enough (1 goal per game is bad enough)
One helped a club win a Premiership for long suffering supporters, the other helped long suffering supporters regret picking him.


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B.M wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:43am Max King was the best pick IMO

Most would agree

He was touted to go at number 1, was a steal at 4 will end up the best player from that draft - we got lucky due to his injury!!!

C.Judd went at 3 due to injury
J.Selwood went at 7 due to injury

A lot of other players have been injury sliders in their draft year.

You draft a player for 10-15 years not the first 4 years

Players get over injuries.

Personally I would have taken King at 1, Walsh at 2, Rozee at 3, B.King at 4, Lukoscious 5 and Rankin at 6

202cm freak athletes with ability are rare

Not so much 193cm 100kg key forwards who can take a mark.
Good points and I hope this faith in young players with injuries works with Bytel.


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B.M wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 10:43am Max King was the best pick IMO

Most would agree

He was touted to go at number 1, was a steal at 4 will end up the best player from that draft - we got lucky due to his injury!!!

C.Judd went at 3 due to injury
J.Selwood went at 7 due to injury

A lot of other players have been injury sliders in their draft year.

You draft a player for 10-15 years not the first 4 years

Players get over injuries.

Personally I would have taken King at 1, Walsh at 2, Rozee at 3, B.King at 4, Lukoscious 5 and Rankin at 6

202cm freak athletes with ability are rare

Not so much 193cm 100kg key forwards who can take a mark.
I'm glad we have Max! But so far he's not better than Ben. Can he be? I hope so!

Statistically in most categories Max was better, unfortunately in the most important for big forward he wasn't...goals.

But, the end of the season revealed a glimpse of what may be and we could see Max surge beyond any of our expectations.


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SAINT-LEE wrote: Wed 01 Sep 2021 6:28pm
I'm glad we have Max! But so far he's not better than Ben. Can he be? I hope so!

Statistically in most categories Max was better, unfortunately in the most important for big forward he wasn't...goals.

But, the end of the season revealed a glimpse of what may be and we could see Max surge beyond any of our expectations.
Statistically - the most important statistic - the one most people forget:

Career Games:
Ben - 53 Games
Max - 38 Games

At this stage - 15 games is a hell of a lot - and in his last 9 games - 23 goals at 2.33 per game

Max is one season behind Ben or almost 30% games



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Ben has not dominated a game like Max did at the end of the season

At times he looked unstoppable

Ben has been good, a Ben Brown type hit up forward

Max is a contested marking machine

Contested marks i50 are the most valuable stats in footy


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Bar injury Max will be the best big forward in the game in the next few years. No doubt.


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I know this is a Petracca Thread - but .......

Max King - 38 Games - F@rking Hell - Watch out for a 50+ gamer!!!!!!!!!

Membrey and Sharman and the smalls are going to love it - it will take 3 players just to try and stop him!


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Sainter_Dad wrote: Thu 02 Sep 2021 9:50am I know this is a Petracca Thread - but .......

Max King - 38 Games - F@rking Hell - Watch out for a 50+ gamer!!!!!!!!!

Membrey and Sharman and the smalls are going to love it - it will take 3 players just to try and stop him!
Thanks Sainter_Dad, sick of the Petracca/McCartin hindsight crap. King is the future! Sharman looking good, Membrey as the 3rd tall /roaming around. Exciting stuff!


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The Barometer wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 12:37am
Sainter_Dad wrote: Thu 02 Sep 2021 9:50am I know this is a Petracca Thread - but .......

Max King - 38 Games - F@rking Hell - Watch out for a 50+ gamer!!!!!!!!!

Membrey and Sharman and the smalls are going to love it - it will take 3 players just to try and stop him!
Thanks Sainter_Dad, sick of the Petracca/McCartin hindsight crap. King is the future! Sharman looking good, Membrey as the 3rd tall /roaming around. Exciting stuff!
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Only sick of it, because it’s the truth and we are on the wrong side of it!!!

If we took Petracca, we could read about it till the cows came home!!!


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I wonder if in 2-3 years time Carlton and Gold Coast fans will be ruing that they had the opportunity to take Max and didn't?


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Mr Magic wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 5:54pm I wonder if in 2-3 years time Carlton and Gold Coast fans will be ruing that they had the opportunity to take Max and didn't?
I’m sure the Melbourne forum this year is all about Watts, Scully , Trengove. Richmond would have spent the last few years talking about Fiora, Tambling.


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Mr Magic wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 5:54pm I wonder if in 2-3 years time Carlton and Gold Coast fans will be ruing that they had the opportunity to take Max and didn't?
Let’s hope!

But I think Carlton will be pretty happy with Walsh


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The Barometer wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 7:51pm
Mr Magic wrote: Fri 03 Sep 2021 5:54pm I wonder if in 2-3 years time Carlton and Gold Coast fans will be ruing that they had the opportunity to take Max and didn't?
I’m sure the Melbourne forum this year is all about Watts, Scully , Trengove. Richmond would have spent the last few years talking about Fiora, Tambling.
Fancy taking Tambling over Franklin, classic draft blooper of all time, it was decisions like that that started the demise of Wallet's career. :lol:


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That’s a hindsight call

I saw Tambling as a junior playing for NT

The hype around him was massive, and he delivered. Looked every bit the future star. Andrew McLeod was the comparison being made.
For whatever reason he never developed.

But he was always rated in the top few as a junior.

Franklin was a freak athlete, but was very inconsistent
His contested marking was very average for a 196.

However, he still should have gone at 2

Delidio was the clear cut #1


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Ha ha ha, this thread is riddled with hindsight.


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Not really

This thread is the opposite IMO and the reason is that it was a contentious decision and that it wasn’t hindsight.

It was a risk selection- with the number 1 pick

And by risk, I don’t mean McCartin

I mean overlooking the obvious selection, that can always come back to haunt you!
In this case it has, very much so.

Even if McCartin didn’t get knocked out, and ended up a good key forward. Still would’ve been a mistake.


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B.M wrote: Sat 04 Sep 2021 12:49pm Not really

This thread is the opposite IMO and the reason is that it was a contentious decision and that it wasn’t hindsight.

It was a risk selection- with the number 1 pick

And by risk, I don’t mean McCartin

I mean overlooking the obvious selection, that can always come back to haunt you!
In this case it has, very much so.

Even if McCartin didn’t get knocked out, and ended up a good key forward. Still would’ve been a mistake.
No really. It is hindsight. Unless you can prove your adamant selections from 8 years ago was nothing but petracca? and also prove that it was the obvisous selection even though (supposed) media experts where split. Can you prove that 8 years ago that you knew that McCartin as the best KF in the draft would be a complete bust?
No s*** we can see now it is a mistake. BUt not s*** clubs make mistakes.


If McCartin didn't get knocked out and ended up a good key forward this thread would not exist.


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