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SAINTS rank #1!!

Post: # 1909955Post SAINT-LEE »

St Kilda are ranked number one for the cost of injury on starting players missing games.

Injuries with cost – any injury to a player who, based on the AFL Player Ratings, would have been selected in their team if fit.

Whilst that isn't the sole problem, surely it must be significant, correct? After reading this I'm willing to adjust my rant titled, " Burn Ratts at the Stake".

We are 4th in the league for scoreboard impact ( points scored) by missing players!

It does highlight a lack of depth....but you cant keep fit, B grade players in the wings to cover possible injuries. Those guys leave for better opportunities OR get slotted into the gap which is often an " out of position" move causing more disruption to game plans.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/634791


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Post: # 1909961Post Banger9798 »

Finally #1


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Post: # 1909987Post repta »

Helps that we have had a recruiting ethos of
"If we can get him right"


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Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!


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Post: # 1909993Post Vortex »

B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?


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Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
I actually don't think he would have. Would he have played the game if it was a final? I think he would have.


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Post: # 1909995Post B.M »

Was it ok for Ryder to take 4 weeks off, but not ok for Seb to go home and help with newborn twins


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Post: # 1910005Post Yorkeys »

Injuries account for losing. What's the metric for no effort. Most professionals I know have pride in their craft - there are several AFL clubs at the moment where most players just go through the motions: Suns, Carlton, Saints. Great company we are in. What's that from the club? Pardon? You guys need to show effort and organisation Friday night; it will be cold, wet, miserable, an away game, big ground no where to hide and the Tigers will be going all out to hurt. What now? Ring in sick or needed at home? Or give a red hot go regardless.


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B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:55pm Was it ok for Ryder to take 4 weeks off, but not ok for Seb to go home and help with newborn twins
Paddy effectively took 6 weeks off didn't he? Missed first 6 games?


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Moods wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 1:26am
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:55pm Was it ok for Ryder to take 4 weeks off, but not ok for Seb to go home and help with newborn twins
Paddy effectively took 6 weeks off didn't he? Missed first 6 games?
You take the good with the bad. We knew we were getting damaged goods when we recruited Paddy. He was terrific last year and still a valuable player, but I’m pretty sure the club knew of the risks with his history (the mental toll from the Essendope saga) and with his age.

As far as Seb is concerned, I’ve been a critic, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a valuable player. That doesn’t mean he’s not first 22. I don’t think Seb would’ve taken time off if we were 7 wins and 5 losses instead sitting at 5-7 before the Crows match.


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Post: # 1910016Post Vortex »

Ghost Like wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:25pm
Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
I actually don't think he would have. Would he have played the game if it was a final? I think he would have.
In a way it was a final. Times have changed in so many ways.

It would be fascinating to hear the views of Nicky Winmar and Stewart Loewe on this matter.


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Post: # 1910018Post skeptic »

Vortex wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 8:14am
Ghost Like wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:25pm
Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
I actually don't think he would have. Would he have played the game if it was a final? I think he would have.
In a way it was a final. Times have changed in so many ways.

It would be fascinating to hear the views of Nicky Winmar and Stewart Loewe on this matter.
What did they say?


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Post: # 1910023Post Vortex »

skeptic wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 9:06am
Vortex wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 8:14am
Ghost Like wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:25pm
Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
I actually don't think he would have. Would he have played the game if it was a final? I think he would have.
In a way it was a final. Times have changed in so many ways.

It would be fascinating to hear the views of Nicky Winmar and Stewart Loewe on this matter.
What did they say?
Was referring to the personal issues both experienced before the 97 GF.

As I say times/attitudes and social norms have changed so much since then and probably not the best example.


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Post: # 1910025Post skeptic »

Vortex wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:02am
skeptic wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 9:06am
Vortex wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 8:14am
Ghost Like wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:25pm
Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
I actually don't think he would have. Would he have played the game if it was a final? I think he would have.
In a way it was a final. Times have changed in so many ways.

It would be fascinating to hear the views of Nicky Winmar and Stewart Loewe on this matter.
What did they say?
Was referring to the personal issues both experienced before the 97 GF.

As I say times/attitudes and social norms have changed so much since then and probably not the best example.
Oh right. Of course.


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Vortex wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:02am
skeptic wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 9:06am
Vortex wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 8:14am
Ghost Like wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:25pm
Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
I actually don't think he would have. Would he have played the game if it was a final? I think he would have.
In a way it was a final. Times have changed in so many ways.

It would be fascinating to hear the views of Nicky Winmar and Stewart Loewe on this matter.
What did they say?
Was referring to the personal issues both experienced before the 97 GF.

As I say times/attitudes and social norms have changed so much since then and probably not the best example.
Good point Vortex and I think we might find the club would not want either taking the field following those circumstances as the side was certainly two very good players down.

It truly is a hypothetical whether the club or Seb would see the situations as being the same.


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Post: # 1910033Post Saintmatt »

Vortex wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:16pm
B.M wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021 10:04pm Pretty obvious stat

We’ve been decimated

Question
How many injuries are the top 4 teams dealing with atm?!
A hypothetical: would Seb have played in the Cairns game if we were a top 4 side and the real deal?
Unlikely. Although - credit where credit is due - I think he's been much better this year. Certainly playing more directly and with urgency (except for a couple games). I've always thought that whilst Ross/Geary and McKenzie's kicking were still on the list - we are deluding ourselves.


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Post: # 1910080Post B.M »

Maybe Sebs wife wouldn’t expect him to miss a final or GF

But a H&A game

She probably felt she could ask for that sacrifice

And it was a (footy)?sacrifice he was willing to take.


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B.M wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 7:19pm Maybe Sebs wife wouldn’t expect him to miss a final or GF

But a H&A game

She probably felt she could ask for that sacrifice

And it was a (footy)?sacrifice he was willing to take.
Best answer to this issue, imo.


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B.M wrote: Wed 23 Jun 2021 7:19pm Maybe Sebs wife wouldn’t expect him to miss a final or GF

But a H&A game

She probably felt she could ask for that sacrifice

And it was a (footy)?sacrifice he was willing to take.
So what if you miss the finals by one game, it's not as though you can gamble with 4 points at the elite level. Who's sacrifice is it in this scenario?


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