Carlton under attack ...but it sounds familiar..

[Teflon]

Blues being questioned on 2 fronts:

1. Recruiting HBF abs trying to turn them into a midfielder eg Williams (who couldn’t run with Taranto) ...a crime we have a failed history of also doing ....Lesson this draft : MUST recruit genuine bloody mids ...not any other type a MID

2. Players recruited to Carlton are not being developed and infact going backwards......sounds familiar ??

Learn this lesson fast Saints I do not like being associated with Carlton....

[Banger9798]

Alot of similarities to Saints
Fade out last quarters
Few leaders
Not vocal
Lack aggression

[Teflon]

Alot of similarities to Saints
Fade out last quarters
Few leaders
Not vocal
Lack aggression

Kinda scary isn’t it ?
We have slipped to their level
They’ve made and paid too much for Saad and Williams (I thought at the time this was a blunder..)
The development one.....really big worry....if young players start to believe you don’t develop at st kilda ....it becomes hard to turn around ...don’t want that smell hanging around

[Wayne42]

They also paid a squillion for McGovern and get almost nothing in return, ooh, that sounds familiar.

[WellardSaint]

They also paid a squillion for McGovern and get almost nothing in return, ooh, that sounds familiar.

They got sold on the surname. They hoped he'd be a lot like his bro at the WCE, but without the Billy Brownless diet

[minneapolis]

The Blues are getting ravaged. A cashed up Super Club.

Last year Essendon and Melbourne were being reamed.

So let us not get too downhearted. It happens to all clubs.

[shanegrambeau]

Thing that strikes me is that Carlton are losing by 18 /20 points a lot. The weekend, being a 36 point loss, was a blow out by their standards.

We got them covered…

36 points? Pathetic

We got 76,
We got 110!

[Saintmatt]

We're just very, very lucky that we had a single excellent 2017 draft (Clark, Coffield and Paton + Higgins) where comparatively - the draft they had a good hand in (2017) they've had a complete bust in Dow and O'Brien and before/after that SPS, Stocker and Philip are also duds. Had they not nailed the 2015 draft and nabbed Wietering and McKay (+ Charlie Curnow who mightn't play again anyway) - they'd be in all sorts.

McGovern and Hannebery are similarly disastrous trades although, we only paid (net) pick 39; the blues paid 2 x 2nd rounders.

Whilst we've been forever drafting average half backs and trying to turn them into mids - at least we didn't trade high picks for them (Saad) nor, tie-up the best part of $2.5M per season on them (Williams, Saad & Martin)

[cwrcyn]

Saad is giving Carlton a lot of value. Williams thought (and Carlton thought) that he could just waltz into the midfield and become a star. Both he and the club realise now that he's a back flanker and nothing more. They've made similar c**k-ups to us, for sure, and we're both getting a kicking from the media pundits at the moment. It's not as bad at it seems for both clubs. Similar problems but only two or three players short of a fix.

[Saintmatt]

Saad is giving Carlton a lot of value. Williams thought (and Carlton thought) that he could just waltz into the midfield and become a star. Both he and the club realise now that he's a back flanker and nothing more. They've made similar c**k-ups to us, for sure, and we're both getting a kicking from the media pundits at the moment. It's not as bad at it seems for both clubs. Similar problems but only two or three players short of a fix.

That's true about Saad. He's been good. But $800K good? Not sure about that. Personally, I'd rather be us (only in a football sense). Their mids are putrid (can barely get their hands on it except for Walsh) and they don't defend. They're still playing Curnow, Murphy (sometimes) and Betts. And those 3 aren't their worst players. Put Jones and Gresh back into our team and all of a sudden - we're not as horrible. Their ruck situation is terrible - we at least have Marshall. McKay is excellent but I think Max will get to that level in a couple of years. Their Captains are right on the edge - at least Steele is first picked.

[cwrcyn]

Their young ruckman will be a player. He just needs a couple of years.

[Wayne42]

It reads like SOS wasn't as good a List Manager as he thought he was.

Maybe Carlton's CEO realised that and gave him the DCM.

[Teflon]

Saad is giving Carlton a lot of value. Williams thought (and Carlton thought) that he could just waltz into the midfield and become a star. Both he and the club realise now that he's a back flanker and nothing more. They've made similar c**k-ups to us, for sure, and we're both getting a kicking from the media pundits at the moment. It's not as bad at it seems for both clubs. Similar problems but only two or three players short of a fix.

Tend to agree on last part
You feel both sides are a few quality players short and both through the midfield I think ..,
Ironically they lack that class inside mid (we have in spaces) we lack a classy outside finisher (Walsh)..
IF we can jag a pure , decent genuine mid this draft ...it’ll go a long way to moving us forward

[Wayne42]

It's going to be very interesting at season's as to which clubs get sucked in by the lemons Carlton will put up for sale as they go about fixing their list.

I wonder which clubs would go for a lemon rinse, i know 1 club that might bite.