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Post: # 1722076Post bigred »

This is a real concern IMO.

I've been pretty hard on him on here over the past few weeks.

Called him soft and scared at one point. Probably the lowest of the low kinda insult.

But seriously, he is letting us down week after week.

His goal kicking is a liability and there is no other way to describe it. One goal, three behinds on the weekend. I would say that two of the misses were really 85+% gettable. The one he kicked was probably the hardest of the day. Perhaps he didn't have to think.

1 goal, 3 behinds vs Giants
0 goals, 2 behinds vs Geelong.
Nothing vs Adelaide.
Nothing vs Norf.
2 goals, 3 behinds vs Lions

Is he playing out of position? I don't think so because I don't think he's hard enough to really go anywhere else.

He gets enough touches to be really, really damaging. Averages around the 20 mark give or take.

This goal kicking is rather bulltish.


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Post: # 1722077Post Linton Lodger »

He's out of form and down on confidence.

Still needs to work harder and improve his hard ball gets.


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Post: # 1722078Post MC Gusto »

He’s definitely a confidence player and relies heavily on team confidence

If we carry our form to the hawthorn match I reckon he’ll bag a few.


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Post: # 1722097Post IluvHarvey »

As a small forward he is not delivering. I honestly feel we need to permanently move him up the field to a wing and put a small forward that will actually hit the scoreboard.
He is 100% in our best team but wasted in the forward line as his disposals are not hurting the opposition.


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Post: # 1722102Post Sainter_Dad »

IluvHarvey wrote:As a small forward he is not delivering. I honestly feel we need to permanently move him up the field to a wing and put a small forward that will actually hit the scoreboard.
He is 100% in our best team but wasted in the forward line as his disposals are not hurting the opposition.
Hear Hear

He is a distributor who can jag the occasional brilliant goal if he is not forced to think about it and question himself - should be playing on instinct and letting those with better compsure take the set shots. It almost looks like he is searching for a better option whenever he is asked to take a shot at goal.


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Post: # 1722104Post parkeysainter »

All good. 1 BOG and JB will be A grade material again.


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Post: # 1722106Post MC Gusto »

The miss from 35 out was mind boggling! Has to be all in his head.


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Post: # 1722107Post barneyboyz »

MC Gusto wrote:The miss from 35 out was mind boggling! Has to be all in his head.
Paddy was the same early, then got a bit of confidence. That goal from the fifty was one of the best connects with a football I have seen in a while :D

Most of these blokes are very good to excellent footballers that have been in a slump, especially the ones around the same age bracket


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Post: # 1722109Post MC Gusto »

Agreed. I feel like that goal paddy pumped through from 55 will go a long way to curing any yips he bad. It was a beauty


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Post: # 1722115Post SydneySainter »

Billings has had more than enough purple patches to prove he can play at an A level.

He’s finding the footy enough, but his kicking his woefully bad atm.

I not only think Billings is a confidence player at a personal level, but at a team level also.


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Post: # 1722116Post bigred »

So lets let his numbers get in the way.

69 games
Averages 20 disposals over his career. So he really can get the ball.

53 goals 77 behinds. That is just under 41%

Paddy is actally going at 50% after 27 games.
Bruce is going around at 64% after 91 games.
membrey is going at 68% after 53 games.
Gresham is going at 55% after 45 games.
Weller is going at 46% after 108 games.

Gawd our forwards are quite terrible.


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Post: # 1722120Post St. Paul »

Play him on the wing/midfield, or even as the distributor, Goddard style off halfback. We need that type desperately. He's an excellent field kick, the best tested in his draft. He's shown enough in his career to suggest he's potential A grade material. Let him loose across half back, AR! Pretty handy having him, Coffield and Carlisle back across there. Throw in White and suddenly our defence looks like a bit of a weapon.


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Post: # 1722137Post saintsRrising »

bigred wrote:So lets let his numbers get in the way.

69 games
Averages 20 disposals over his career. So he really can get the ball.

53 goals 77 behinds. That is just under 41%

Paddy is actally going at 50% after 27 games.
Bruce is going around at 64% after 91 games.
membrey is going at 68% after 53 games.
Gresham is going at 55% after 45 games.
Weller is going at 46% after 108 games.

Gawd our forwards are quite terrible.
Membreys and Bruces % stacks up ok against similar players. It is the others that are way below par.


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Post: # 1722140Post saint6709 »

MC Gusto wrote:The miss from 35 out was mind boggling! Has to be all in his head.
They ( Saint kilda players - not just Billings) always seem to run too close to the man on the mark - I don't get that - but you can see them doing it all the time - they always seem to forget he has gone back 2-3 steps from the mark and will come forward - No idea what Dixon is doing

The other thing i cant work out why they do it is the length and speed ( with variable tempos) of some of the run ups to shoot for goal - surely they just need to walk a few steps and shoot - i think Acres does that pretty well


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Post: # 1722141Post Milne »

Billings is a confidence player. We've seen how well he plays when he's confident and fired up. Think we should all get behind the lad rather than deriding him.


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Post: # 1722145Post SemperFidelis »

Milne wrote:Billings is a confidence player. We've seen how well he plays when he's confident and fired up. Think we should all get behind the lad rather than deriding him.
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Post: # 1722146Post longtimesaint »

saintsRrising wrote:
bigred wrote:So lets let his numbers get in the way.

69 games
Averages 20 disposals over his career. So he really can get the ball.

53 goals 77 behinds. That is just under 41%

Paddy is actally going at 50% after 27 games.
Bruce is going around at 64% after 91 games.
membrey is going at 68% after 53 games.
Gresham is going at 55% after 45 games.
Weller is going at 46% after 108 games.

Gawd our forwards are quite terrible.
Membreys and Bruces % stacks up ok against similar players. It is the others that are way below par.
Membrey at 68% is very good as even Tony Lockett was at low 70%’s and he was one of the best kicks for goal ever


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Post: # 1722147Post Con Gorozidis »

53.77 is not a great return.
Seems to be a mental thing.


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Post: # 1722181Post Toy Saint »

barneyboyz wrote:
MC Gusto wrote:The miss from 35 out was mind boggling! Has to be all in his head.
Paddy was the same early, then got a bit of confidence. That goal from the fifty was one of the best connects with a football I have seen in a while :D

Most of these blokes are very good to excellent footballers that have been in a slump, especially the ones around the same age bracket
That goal was a reminder of Tony Lockett


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Post: # 1722230Post The Barometer »

St. Paul wrote:Play him on the wing/midfield, or even as the distributor, Goddard style off halfback. We need that type desperately. He's an excellent field kick, the best tested in his draft. He's shown enough in his career to suggest he's potential A grade material. Let him loose across half back, AR! Pretty handy having him, Coffield and Carlisle back across there. Throw in White and suddenly our defence looks like a bit of a weapon.
Have been pondering this as well. Iirc didn’t a young Dal play halfback at the back end of 03 and carve it up with his disposal. Can’t remember if he could actually defend though which might be Billings prblem as well.


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saint6709 wrote:
MC Gusto wrote:The miss from 35 out was mind boggling! Has to be all in his head.
They ( Saint kilda players - not just Billings) always seem to run too close to the man on the mark - I don't get that - but you can see them doing it all the time - they always seem to forget he has gone back 2-3 steps from the mark and will come forward - No idea what Dixon is doing

The other thing i cant work out why they do it is the length and speed ( with variable tempos) of some of the run ups to shoot for goal - surely they just need to walk a few steps and shoot - i think Acres does that pretty well
You are on the money, Billings set shot in the first quarter (?) he clearly got too close to the man on the mark. Most Saints players are guilty of this from their set shots.


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Post: # 1722232Post St. Paul »

The Barometer wrote:
St. Paul wrote:Play him on the wing/midfield, or even as the distributor, Goddard style off halfback. We need that type desperately. He's an excellent field kick, the best tested in his draft. He's shown enough in his career to suggest he's potential A grade material. Let him loose across half back, AR! Pretty handy having him, Coffield and Carlisle back across there. Throw in White and suddenly our defence looks like a bit of a weapon.
Have been pondering this as well. Iirc didn’t a young Dal play halfback at the back end of 03 and carve it up with his disposal. Can’t remember if he could actually defend though which might be Billings prblem as well.
He did, TB. A well known tactic both in terms of a player's education and to break the shackles. Dal also spent time in defence under RL. Remember BJ struggling for several years to establish himself? Finally found his niche as the quarterback type, switching through the midfield. Turned him into a champion. Billings is good overhead, a beautiful field kick (gets him away from the goals for a while so he can recover some confidence), moves well and could really hurt the opposition with that left peg.

As a measure of his talent, he is one of the few left footers I've seen who is proficient and confident on his right foot. Time for some imagination, AR. Don't tell me he can't tackle because he does this as well, although it appears to be an attitude issue with him. When he's on, he is aggressive enough and can rack up tackle numbers. When he's off, he wouldn't pull the skin off a bowl of custard. Surely that's in his head. A bit like his goalkicking at present. Over to you, coaches.


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Post: # 1722233Post spert »

Needs a run in the backline for a while- might just work out.


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Post: # 1722252Post Scollop »

Linton Lodger wrote:He's out of form and down on confidence.

Still needs to work harder and improve his hard ball gets.
Glad you mentioned balls. The kid needs to man up and improve his mental toughness. Not enough to just practice the physical side of things when it's between the ears that is the problem (you have to get a bit of aggro and a bit of swagger about you JB - that's code for grow a set!! ). Take responsibility, take ownership of the issue with whatever solutions are out there ( or within your mind) and fix it

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