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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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DJ Higgins wrote:I agree with others that the top 3 are pretty much set Rayner, LDU and Dow.
I'll believe it when I see it. Last year the draft watchers were slow to warm to McGrath and Taranto, preferring McCluggage. Their final phantoms hide some of the stuff they'd been saying all year. This year's draft is very even and teams could have wildly different ratings. Rayner could drop because of his tank. I don't think it's inconceivable either that teams would rate Hunter Clark ahead of LDU, or even Lochie O'Brien ahead of Dow. Reports were that it was O'Brien that was attracting the tags in the Geelong Grammar games.

Brayshaw is getting talked up as a potential number one. Cerra would be defensible over any of the three you listed. He looked better with the ball at the champs than LDU or Dow - perhaps because he was playing for the better team. Freo may have been tossing up between Naughton and Brander at 5 and decided to bully Gold Coast so they could get both. They had to have pictures or something right? Who looks at this draft and says 'Nope. Lachie Weller.'? North need mids, but they probably need forwards and a new coach too while they're at it. They'd probably fall all over themselves to draft Dow if he lasts that long, shinboner spirit and all. Who even knows what Collingwood are doing? I've heard they want a tall, but they have form on taking my favourite players in a draft pool. They'll find a way to ruin everything, like they always do.

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Who do u like VS?


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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parkeysainter wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.
We'd need 150+ list spots to fit in everyone you want us to take, at least Con is entertaining.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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dragit wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.
We'd need 150+ list spots to fit in everyone you want us to take, at least Con is entertaining.
Yeah. About as entertaining as watching paint dry or a 3 hour speech from the leader of communist China.

Who is the 150+? News to me.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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ST KILDA

Draft picks: 7,8,34,45

DEPTH CHART

KEY DEFENDERS: Jake Carlisle, Nathan Brown, Hugh Goddard, Logan Austin, Darragh Joyce

SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Dylan Roberton, Jarryn Geary, Jimmy Webster, Sam Gilbert, Shane Savage, Daniel McKenzie, Brandon White, Bailey Rice, Ray Connellan

MIDFIELDERS: Seb Ross, Jack Steven, Jack Sinclair, Jack Newnes, Koby Stevens, Jack Steele, Blake Acres, David Armitage, Luke Dunstan, Nathan Freeman

KEY FORWARDS: Tim Membrey, Josh Bruce, Paddy McCartin, Josh Battle

SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Jack Billings, Jade Gresham, Darren Minchington, Nathan Wright, Mav Weller, Jack Lonie, Ben Long, Ed Phillips

RUCKS: Billy Longer, Tom Hickey, Rowan Marshall

There was a stage early in the season it looked as though St Kilda's trade with Hawthorn last year could yield the Saints a pick right at the pointy end of the first round. True to form though, the Alastair Clarkson-coached Hawks didn't stay down for long, so St Kilda's draft hand – while very good – isn't as tantalising as it loomed. The Saints toyed with the idea of trading one of their early picks but there wasn't a compelling enough player available, so they have a bit of power here. It's no secret that the Saints could do with a bit more class through the midfield to complement their serviceable blue-collar core. Nick Coffield has been firming to be taken with one of those picks. Primarily a rebounding defender, he has pushed into the midfield too, where his evasiveness and good ball use would likely suit the Saints no end. There's a school of thought that St Kilda will roll the dice at pick eight on Aiden Bonar, who shapes as the most exciting utility in the draft, having come off two knee reconstructions. He played his junior football at Seaford, so at least before the Saints' move back to Moorabbin he will be very much at home. Hunter Clark is another they've been linked to, while the doubts about Jaidyn Stephenson could leave him within St Kilda's grasp. Axed trio Sam Collins (Fremantle), Tom Lamb (West Coast) and Will Fordham (North Melbourne) were all given permission to train with the Saints with a view to being taken as rookies. If Lamb joins the Saints he will follow in the footsteps of his grandfather Ian Cooper, who was a member of the club's 1966 premiership side.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707149Post fugazi »

Really don't see us taking Coffield.
We need pure midfielders not half backs who might be able to transition there eventually.

Cerra or Brayshaw plus Clark/ Fogarty or Stephenson.


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Still keen on Bonar. After the best available mid.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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Hope we get 2 of either Cerra, Coffield, Clark with Cerra and Clark being my preference.
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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707157Post samoht »

We have players in our midfield that have ball-winning ability, but who tend to handball - so we're not getting enough drive from our midfield.

Our recruiters need to recruit midfielders who not only win the ball, but who have the evasiveness to hold on to it, run with it, break the lines and then have the time and poise to look around for the best option and deliver it to team mates in the clear.

I hate to drive the point home, but we need midfield DRIVE!
We don't need to recruit more of the same type of midfielders.

I would only recruit a midfielder who is capable of doing that - providing the drive we so desperately need - and so, if they are not available or don't fall to us, I'd rather we leave it for next year - and recruit Oscar Allen and Coffield for now.
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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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avid wrote:Still keen on Bonar. After the best available mid.
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SaintPav wrote:Hope we get 2 of either Cerra, Coffield, Clark with Cerra and Clark being my preference.
Cerra has been my preference for a while though his leg speed has worried me at times... I think it’s moot though because of all the better mids, he’s been the one that’s most consistently up there and it’s hard to fathom he’ll be there.
That said Brayshaw and Stephenson’s seem to have shot up over the last week or so.

Am not particularly keen on Coffield but am warming to Clark... think he’ll def be there at 8 and he seems a mids mid.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707172Post Con Gorozidis »

fugazi wrote:Really don't see us taking Coffield.
We need pure midfielders not half backs who might be able to transition there eventually.

Cerra or Brayshaw plus Clark/ Fogarty or Stephenson.
Kind of agree but Coffield is the quickest of the lot. He is 190cm and runs a 2.90 20m sprint. Could easily end up a midfielder at AFL level. I see a lot of upside with him.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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magnifisaint wrote:ST KILDA

Draft picks: 7,8,34,45

DEPTH CHART

KEY DEFENDERS: Jake Carlisle, Nathan Brown, Hugh Goddard, Logan Austin, Darragh Joyce

SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Dylan Roberton, Jarryn Geary, Jimmy Webster, Sam Gilbert, Shane Savage, Daniel McKenzie, Brandon White, Bailey Rice, Ray Connellan

MIDFIELDERS: Seb Ross, Jack Steven, Jack Sinclair, Jack Newnes, Koby Stevens, Jack Steele, Blake Acres, David Armitage, Luke Dunstan, Nathan Freeman

KEY FORWARDS: Tim Membrey, Josh Bruce, Paddy McCartin, Josh Battle

SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Jack Billings, Jade Gresham, Darren Minchington, Nathan Wright, Mav Weller, Jack Lonie, Ben Long, Ed Phillips

RUCKS: Billy Longer, Tom Hickey, Rowan Marshall

There was a stage early in the season it looked as though St Kilda's trade with Hawthorn last year could yield the Saints a pick right at the pointy end of the first round. True to form though, the Alastair Clarkson-coached Hawks didn't stay down for long, so St Kilda's draft hand – while very good – isn't as tantalising as it loomed. The Saints toyed with the idea of trading one of their early picks but there wasn't a compelling enough player available, so they have a bit of power here. It's no secret that the Saints could do with a bit more class through the midfield to complement their serviceable blue-collar core. Nick Coffield has been firming to be taken with one of those picks. Primarily a rebounding defender, he has pushed into the midfield too, where his evasiveness and good ball use would likely suit the Saints no end. There's a school of thought that St Kilda will roll the dice at pick eight on Aiden Bonar, who shapes as the most exciting utility in the draft, having come off two knee reconstructions. He played his junior football at Seaford, so at least before the Saints' move back to Moorabbin he will be very much at home. Hunter Clark is another they've been linked to, while the doubts about Jaidyn Stephenson could leave him within St Kilda's grasp. Axed trio Sam Collins (Fremantle), Tom Lamb (West Coast) and Will Fordham (North Melbourne) were all given permission to train with the Saints with a view to being taken as rookies. If Lamb joins the Saints he will follow in the footsteps of his grandfather Ian Cooper, who was a member of the club's 1966 premiership side.
A subtle point but we didn’t trade our first pick early in the season; we traded it at the end of 2016 when it was still uncertain how the Hawks would go.

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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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skeptic wrote:Who do u like VS?
If I had the first two picks I'd take Jack Higgins and Oscar Allen. Higgins for his production and his work ethic. Allen seems a rare combination of size, skill and athleticism. It's a lot easier as a supporter to make those kinds of calls though. If Higgins is too small and too slow, I get to keep watching St Kilda, even if people point and laugh at me sometimes. Recruiters get fired. So the much more boring answer is I like everyone and no one. They'd have to do something really crazy with our first two picks to draw my ire. Like taking a guy without a photo on the draft tracker.

Hunter Clark's name keeps coming up. I'd like that pick if it happens. He's a bit like Brayshaw in that his best footy was played at TAC rather than the carnival. He could be a guy who we look back on as a steal we only got because Vic Country used him as a flanker. I'd love to get Brayshaw, but at this point that seems unlikely. I'd be more than okay with us going tall. Allen, Brander, Naughton in that order. I'm always happy to add elite kicks too, so Coffield or even O'Brien, although we probably should have traded a pick down if we wanted LOB. He hasn't had a top-ten season.

I'm less keen on the speculative picks like Bonar or Murphy. That said, Dangerfield was a speculative pick, so maybe you have to live a little sometimes. I also don't like sliders and Fogarty in particular scares me. I guess you could count LOB or Brander as sliders, so maybe I'm a hyporcite there and I just don't like Fogarty. I also probably have 12 people going in the top-6 right now and about 20 I'd be okay with at 7 or 8, so you probably want somebody a little more decisive than I am calling the shots here.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707186Post remboy »

SaintPav wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:ST KILDA

Draft picks: 7,8,34,45

DEPTH CHART

KEY DEFENDERS: Jake Carlisle, Nathan Brown, Hugh Goddard, Logan Austin, Darragh Joyce

SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Dylan Roberton, Jarryn Geary, Jimmy Webster, Sam Gilbert, Shane Savage, Daniel McKenzie, Brandon White, Bailey Rice, Ray Connellan

MIDFIELDERS: Seb Ross, Jack Steven, Jack Sinclair, Jack Newnes, Koby Stevens, Jack Steele, Blake Acres, David Armitage, Luke Dunstan, Nathan Freeman

KEY FORWARDS: Tim Membrey, Josh Bruce, Paddy McCartin, Josh Battle

SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Jack Billings, Jade Gresham, Darren Minchington, Nathan Wright, Mav Weller, Jack Lonie, Ben Long, Ed Phillips

RUCKS: Billy Longer, Tom Hickey, Rowan Marshall

There was a stage early in the season it looked as though St Kilda's trade with Hawthorn last year could yield the Saints a pick right at the pointy end of the first round. True to form though, the Alastair Clarkson-coached Hawks didn't stay down for long, so St Kilda's draft hand – while very good – isn't as tantalising as it loomed. The Saints toyed with the idea of trading one of their early picks but there wasn't a compelling enough player available, so they have a bit of power here. It's no secret that the Saints could do with a bit more class through the midfield to complement their serviceable blue-collar core. Nick Coffield has been firming to be taken with one of those picks. Primarily a rebounding defender, he has pushed into the midfield too, where his evasiveness and good ball use would likely suit the Saints no end. There's a school of thought that St Kilda will roll the dice at pick eight on Aiden Bonar, who shapes as the most exciting utility in the draft, having come off two knee reconstructions. He played his junior football at Seaford, so at least before the Saints' move back to Moorabbin he will be very much at home. Hunter Clark is another they've been linked to, while the doubts about Jaidyn Stephenson could leave him within St Kilda's grasp. Axed trio Sam Collins (Fremantle), Tom Lamb (West Coast) and Will Fordham (North Melbourne) were all given permission to train with the Saints with a view to being taken as rookies. If Lamb joins the Saints he will follow in the footsteps of his grandfather Ian Cooper, who was a member of the club's 1966 premiership side.
A subtle point but we didn’t trade our first pick early in the season; we traded it at the end of 2016 when it was still uncertain how the Hawks would go.

Nonsense!!!
To be honest, when we did the trade I expected the Hawks to be pushing for top four and thought their first pick would be 12-15. Still thought it was a good deal. Ending up with two top ten pick was a bonus. We were never getting pick one.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707194Post avid »

I probably don't want Higgins -- his kicking looks chippy, not long and raking.
He's the only one in the mix that I might feel disappointed about.
[disclaimer: I know nothing of any substance about him or any of the others.]

This is voodoo posting -- I just feel that by saying something positive or negative I might just make it happen, or go away.


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avid wrote:I probably don't want Higgins -- his kicking looks chippy, not long and raking.
He's the only one in the mix that I might feel disappointed about.
[disclaimer: I know nothing of any substance about him or any of the others.]

This is voodoo posting -- I just feel that by saying something positive or negative I might just make it happen, or go away.
The more that posters say they don't want Higgins the more I want him. I don't know him from a bar of soap except to say the exact things were said about Daniel and look at him. 5 ft nothing and is a gun. We need pure footballers and this is what they say about him. Pound for pound the best player in the draft.


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magnifisaint wrote:
avid wrote:I probably don't want Higgins -- his kicking looks chippy, not long and raking.
He's the only one in the mix that I might feel disappointed about.
[disclaimer: I know nothing of any substance about him or any of the others.]

This is voodoo posting -- I just feel that by saying something positive or negative I might just make it happen, or go away.
The more that posters say they don't want Higgins the more I want him. I don't know him from a bar of soap except to say the exact things were said about Daniel and look at him. 5 ft nothing and is a gun. We need pure footballers and this is what they say about him. Pound for pound the best player in the draft.
I flip flop btw these to arguments. I think the question is just how good is his disposal... some say it’s elite, others use the term chippy as above, and lacking penetration


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Post: # 1707210Post samoht »

Robert Harvey didn't have penetrating kicks - he was just an elite 30 metre lace-out chipper with a 100% efficiency (when he chipped it).
Higgins may have the same shortcomings - poor disposal?

We need midfield drive - we have enough midfielders who win the ball and rack up possessions (including too many handballs). We need to introduce midfielders that hang on to the ball, run with it and can gain metreage for our team. They are the ones we need to focus on.
Which of the better midfielders in the draft can potentially provide this midfield drive that our team lacks?


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Post: # 1707248Post Hemi Baxter »

The best two left after the first 6 are gone. The one thing we can be sure of is that rumours that North will call Fogarty at 4 and the Pies then select a KPP are nonsense. Given the way the game is played there has never been more, understandable, prejudice against KPP's. I'm happy to predict that while there is still a midfielder, or even a taller player that has a chance of rotating through the middle, still on the board then no club will pick a static forward instead.
Stephenson is the query. 50% chance to still be there after the first 6 you'd reckon.


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Post: # 1707252Post fugazi »

All the phantom drafts by ITKs seem to have us taking Coffield.
Looks like Brayshaw and Cerra expected to go to Freo and North.
If either slide, Pies would probably nab them anyway.

How did Coffield go in the 2km timetrial and Beep test.....the last thing we need is another HB flanker, so I hope he is genuine midfield material.

Stephenson for pick 8 is fine with me if his heart is good.


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fugazi wrote:All the phantom drafts by ITKs seem to have us taking Coffield.
Looks like Brayshaw and Cerra expected to go to Freo and North.
If either slide, Pies would probably nab them anyway.

How did Coffield go in the 2km timetrial and Beep test.....the last thing we need is another HB flanker, so I hope he is genuine midfield material.

Stephenson for pick 8 is fine with me if his heart is good.
Pass on Stephenson. Lots of clubs don’t want the risk. Neither should we. Paddy is enough.


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saintspremiers wrote:
fugazi wrote:All the phantom drafts by ITKs seem to have us taking Coffield.
Looks like Brayshaw and Cerra expected to go to Freo and North.
If either slide, Pies would probably nab them anyway.

How did Coffield go in the 2km timetrial and Beep test.....the last thing we need is another HB flanker, so I hope he is genuine midfield material.

Stephenson for pick 8 is fine with me if his heart is good.
Pass on Stephenson. Lots of clubs don’t want the risk. Neither should we. Paddy is enough.
Shocking logic.
Completely different to Paddy.
How do you know what 'lots of clubs' are thinking?
Have they all called you?
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Post: # 1707262Post Con Gorozidis »

magnifisaint wrote:
avid wrote:I probably don't want Higgins -- his kicking looks chippy, not long and raking.
He's the only one in the mix that I might feel disappointed about.
[disclaimer: I know nothing of any substance about him or any of the others.]

This is voodoo posting -- I just feel that by saying something positive or negative I might just make it happen, or go away.
The more that posters say they don't want Higgins the more I want him. I don't know him from a bar of soap except to say the exact things were said about Daniel and look at him. 5 ft nothing and is a gun. We need pure footballers and this is what they say about him. Pound for pound the best player in the draft.
Daniel is good but not a gun.
Won't get better.
We need two guns.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707264Post samuraisaint »

We need two top ten draft pick midfielders in case Freeman doesn't make it. Two. We can take Jack Higgins, but if we do, we will also need to draft in a tall mid to the club as well, otherwise we are going to be going in a bit short.
We need to back Paddy and Goddard in to take the FF and FB positions now. Just keep playing them. We have Membrey and Bruce, with Billings in the forward line, and Carlisle and Brown in the back half to support them while they settle in to their roles.
If we can get a full season out of Paddy this year, and if Goddard and Freeman can finally come in and become regulars, with Armitage fit, we should see a very different, and possibly more dangerous St. Kilda outfit in 2018.
Initially I thought this would be the year we return to the finals, but I am hedging my bets a bit until I see how we combine without any of the following; Riewoldt, Montagna, and Dempster. If I were a betting man I would say that we can improve on this year's results and win 12-13 games, so we could finish on the fringe of the eight, with percentage or perhaps those all important 8 point games playing a part in whether we make the finals in 2018.
Hopefully Sinclair, Gresham, and Steele keep their improvement up, and Gilbert can stay fit. Acres, Dunstan and Newnes should continue to develop, and the competition for first ruck between Longer and Hickey is a positive thing, as is Marshall's presence at Sandy. Hickey or Marshall can also come in as a forward option for a bit of depth too.
The more I look at it, the more I think that drafting two top ten young midfielders to the team is a massive bonus rather than selling the farm for a high priced recruit.
Oh, and I'd like us to roll the dice and rookie list the grandson of The Flying Pencil, Tom Lamb.


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