Re 23, 24 and 25 for 8, is there any hope that GWS does this deal? I can't see it. In any event, even if our offer is accepted, it will be at the 11th hour with no time to deal with the Giants. If it was a realistic option, why couldn't we do a three way where we give up 24 and a player then Essendo...

Why such obsession with making a trade? Personally 5 and 24 with Rice sounds good to me unless a great deal opens up. Only interested in Freeman if he costs nothing: there is a strong chance the guy never plays a senior game. He may have been elite when drafted, but two years of rehab and not playin...

Have Hawthorn said anything publicly about the deal? I smell a rat. We need to hold our nerve. Paying overs for JC and giving a team in the same window as us picks 4 and 5 in the draft would be a mistake in the long term. Two gun mids and the Bombers are back on track in the medium term. Doing such ...

Further to my earlier post, I am confident that whoever goes at pick 5 will be a better player than Carlisle. Mathieson sounds like a taller version of Joel Sellwood. Francis sounds like BJ 2.0 and Parish sounds like an elite line breaking mid with skills. I see JC as a possible bonus if we can get ...

We need to hold our nerve on this. If Essendon or Collingwood were in our position they would hold firm on a second rounder. Essendon are banking on St Kilda being desperate and caving (as we inevitably would have done when managed by muppets in years gone by). Two early second rounders for an out o...

Cripps is good, but I would take 15 Billings possessions over 30 Cripps possessions (3 quarters of which are generally handballs) any day of the week. Cripps isn't capable of playing a game like Jack did against the Bulldogs earlier this year. In fact, not many players could. Plenty can get 30 possi...

I was thinking the other day that Tim should be instructed to closely study video footage of Chris Mayne from the Dockers. Mayne is an extremely important part of Freo's forward line. He has had some form lapses, but when he is fully fit, he is a very good player with a shocking hair cut. He usually...

[quote="gringo"][quote="Ned Stark"]Deplorable performance from the umpires. It wouldn't have changed the result, but just ruins the experience. Some of the decisions were baffling. I felt like we were playing at Subiaco or something. Mind you, the umpires slaughtered us a few tea...

Deplorable performance from the umpires. It wouldn't have changed the result, but just ruins the experience. Some of the decisions were baffling. I felt like we were playing at Subiaco or something. Mind you, the umpires slaughtered us a few tears ago against WC at Etihad when Watters was coaching (...

Lock Bruce in for another 3 ASAP. He is a colossus! Imagine what the cheating salary cap rorting Blues would pay to poach him? Forget pipe dreams about Sloane and lock this guy down stat

What a stupid thread. There is nothing wrong with Dunstan. He is just a 20 year old kid developing. He will have the odd bad game. If he kicked straight at goal today, his stats would look a lot better. The people that post this sort of junk obviously didn't see Ablett's first 3 seasons. Get a frigg...

My Fiora comparison was wrong. Aish will be a good player. But I knew he would pull this "homesick" nonsense and I'm glad we are not going through it. On the contrary, we are wondering just how good JB will be!

Is it time to bump this? So glad we picked Jack. Aish is gone. I think Jack is going to be a better player anyway. As he showed today, he is a match winner!

After my morbid post on that rat, Ball, earlier tonight, let me redeem myself. I love this. Luke and Jack B were the two guys that have given us all something to believe in this year. Luke epitomises the Lenny spirit and is a good West Torrens/Woodville boy to boot. Thanks for this final gesture Leo...

I find myself swallowing my own vomit a bit every time the mindless simpletons in the footy media say what a "quality character" Luke Ball is. His self indulgent, immature interview in the Hun exposed what he really is: a charlatan. I don't think I have ever felt so strongly about a Benedi...

Based on his public utterings, I am convinced Shaw is illiterate, so no danger of him reading this let alone comprehending the trade more generally. We won this one boys. We need to stick fat to a long term strategy where we will win some and lose some and regularly be criticised by commentators wit...

Not fazed with being last. Pick 1 beckons. Not blaming Shaw for being last. Whoever was in charge of list management in the 5 years pre-Pelchin is the reason we are bottom. We should have been continually injecting talent with the picks we had in the high teens and 20s during this period (like Geelo...

Yep Shawry, we need another ruckman. Such moronic, ill informed commentary. To think, he actually is paid to be across this kind of basic detail. Let's assess the 'crazy' trade then: Savage was just about our best player tonight and gas been excellent the last month. Dunstan should win the Rising St...

That press conference left me with zero confidence in the management of this football club.

Let me clarify: I don't want anyone to divulge sources or anything of that nature. Was just hoping for some specifics about what Scotty has done which has got him to the brink of being sacked. At least externally, there appears to be absolutely no justification whatsoever to sack a coach who has inh...

Have been reading a lot that Watters is on thin ice. As far as I can tell, no one has convincingly answered the question posed by this thread. What is that Watters has done that is so bad that he is facing the sack after two years spent largely cleaning up the mess that Ross Lyon left? There seems t...

A very impressive performance by the Pelican and co. Bold, intelligent, strategic: words I have rarely associated with our management in the past. I was initially upset to lose Dal - one of my all time favourite Saints - but, viewing the entirety of the trading shows the move was perfect for the clu...

I thought Wallace was a great coach at the Bulldogs and I will take him at his word that he was not responsible for the draft decisions that were made at Richmond. Notwithstanding that, it takes a healthy dose of chutzpah to label yourself 'the list manager' after what occurred in that 2004 draft. A...

I think someone in this thread tables the suggestion that we consider Sheed at 3. His video looks good and his CV is very impressive: I think he got the MVP for the U18 carnival and has played senior football in the WAFL. Looks to be the Judd/O'Meara style midfielder who can play inside and out. Any...

I hope we don't pick the player that comes on the quickest, I hope we pick the best player. Whose had a better career, Hodge or Judd, Judd was way out in front early, but now??? Very close I reckon.[/quote] Agree we should pick the best player, not get sucked in to taking someone who might have an i...