he's not preoccupied with reinjuring himself, he's been instructed to be more sensible the way he throws his body around - and this takes away from his instincts and his confidence, plus one element that made him so good. could use a stint at CHB, IMO, the one position on the ground he's proven succ...

OK, assuming G retires: Geary Hudghton Fisher X Clarke Kozi Birss Dal Santo (loose) Gilbert Baker Reiwoldt Montagna Goddard Armitage Milne R Clarke Gardiner Harvey Hayes King Armitage Stevens Eddy from center, Harvey, Hayes, Baker work it backward - to Dal/Fisher running forward of their man - inten...

does anyone like this for a line up that bloods some youth and gets the depthers out: Geary Hudghton Gilbert Goddard Kozi Fisher Dal Santo Harvey Baker X Clarke Reiwoldt Montagna Milne Gehrig R Clarke Gardiner Ball Hayes King Armitage Birss Steven EM: McEvoy, Allen, Eddy, Gwilt Elevated: Eddy or Min...

i agree entirely

baker is it

schneider is built for it

G has no mongrel left - that's one criticism i have of him

Kozi needs to hurt guys as well

As does Gardiner

he doesn't

Blake did a decent job on Cloke - but Cloke is massively out of form. Blake missed an easy set shot - no surprise, butchered the ball, gave away stupid awkward free kicks with high tackles and in the backs, and generally put in a performance we've come to expect of him - he's crap And C Gardiner, Sc...

Gehrig kicked one goal, missed another he should have kicked, handballed off for two others (Dal and Milne from memory), and took a tall defender. Delivery to him was rubbish. KOZI kicked one CLOKE kicked none ROCCA kicked one G's hands are a bit more fumbly, he seems a bit tentative, but on tonight...

yeah, what a mistake to give up TS 40 - look at the heights he's reached since leaving St Kilda?

good question - different things are always worth thinking about - your looking at him as a bit like an S Fisher type? (And BEFORE any of the losers on here bark up and down with 'FISHER'S ONE OF OUR BEST PLAYERS AND I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE COMPARING GARDINER WITH FISHER... BLAH DRIVEL BLAH DRIVEL BL...

Geary Gwilt Goddard
Gram Kozi Fisher
Dal Ball Joey
C Gardiner R Clarke Schneider
Milne Gehrig Harvey
Foll: Gardiner, Hayes, Baker
Int: Eddy, King/McEvoy, Birss, Armitage
OUT: Goose, Roo, X, Dempster
IN: King/McEvoy, Gwilt, Eddy, Geary

I'm with Baba on wondering about Ferguson's hype - i think he has a big heart but isn't an AFL standard player (a bit like Rix, Blake etc in the regard) against the Pies we have Hudghton, Goose, Roo, X missing: they have 2 tall, lumbering forwards: Gwilt and Kozi for mine this means we'll need a sec...

yes, good thread. I've always thought R Clarke had more potential than his brother, and was a Koutifidis in the making. a player who needs to be persisted with and given some space to show his flair.

I'm not sure a 'rebuild' is what we want, but definitely grooming youngsters. this just requires a slight re-think - right now, we believe we have depth because we have Fiora, Blake, Dempster, L Fisher, Rix..... we need to believe we have depth because we have Geary, Armitage, McEvoy, Allen, Eddy et...

this is an excellent point - one area that's improved MASSIVELY is his kicking for goal, at which he used to be very ordinary. i do also agree that Harvey is not the player he once was, but that's simply because he was so good.

G made a nice classical lead for a good mark and a good kick at goal against Richmond. With quality ball like that there's nothing saying he couldn't do that ten times a game. G's game will be determined by the way it's delivered to him PERIOD. if they kick well to him on a lead he'll mark and kick ...

the last thing ST Kilda needs is for our 'depth' players to be elevated ahead of promising youngsters. Birss is borderline, Ferguson is very borderline IMO, L Fisher and Blake and C Gardiner worthy as depth players, but Fiora, McQualter, Rix, Dempster, Jones (and last year Watts and Brooks) are not ...

If you thought Gardiner was great, you must have been watching a match from 2003 when he wore the blue and gold. He's not in our best 22. While I'm on it, Maguire and Raph Clarke were disgraceful. Neither of them deserve a match. Bring on Jarryd Allen and get Max back into the team. Raph was OK, ab...

not selfish, a bit optimistic i saw it as

For Rocka and Cloke, i guess you're talking, we'd go with Fisher on R and Gwilt on Cloke - Gwilt worked hard when replacing Max last year.

We stil retain Fisher's run, because, Rocca can't

G as a defender? ha ha ha ha ha - that's funny dude

ok... positive signs... we're playing crap and winning every second game L Ball, i'm sure all will agree, was as good as he's been in a while Milne played with responsibility and played well we won without our full back and Roo for half the game Maguire and Gram continue to lack effectiveness we pla...

Barks4eva - YOU are a retard!

During last night's game Tim Lane made the comment "Riewoldt was slightly retarded" Why no outcry? Why no outrage? What is going on? Why has this not been reported by the media? Tim Lane you are a disgrace and you should never be allowed into a commentary box again. Yeah I know it's a big...

weird guy to have a go at - i don't understand the Raph bashers. couldn't see class through the CLean end of your ASS

brilliant mate - awesome work

the only benefit to be gained from Gehrig's retirement would be to shut you half-wit f*****' muppets up about it - i speak for everyone, TAKE YOUR HALF-BAKED ROHAN CONNOLLY OPINIONS BACK TO SHITVILLE AND SHUT THE f*** UP ALREADY