I started to read the article and stopped as it was just an article to attack The Saints and our lack of success etc. to be honest we haven’t had much success for a while. We are an easy target, kind of the littlest kid in the playground scenario. How we got “here” was brutal for most involved there...

I am hoping there is a plan. Just a weird process. Not overly surprised.

You are not going to win too many games kicking 1 goal 15 behinds in a half. Not watched too many more frustrating games in my life. I reckon if I live for another 100years I’d struggle to find another. Nothing really worked for us in front of goal tonight. Ahhhhh! One we could have won comfortably ...

The consistency of this sort of incident is the main worry. We have players jumping into other players heads recklessly (west cost vs suns) not issue, and a few other incidents that look very similar if not exactly the same etc. no player could understand the boundaries unless it’s based on who does...

CQ, Bit rich calling it a tackle!!! I’ve watched it from different angles and at no time does Mackay get his hands on the footy. afl.com currently has the incident on it’s website. https://www.afl.com.au/video/630260/bone-crunching-hit-forces-clark-from-the-field?videoId=630260&modal=true&t...

It would have been a steal but we went inside 1 more time and that non score in the first I think would be hard to ever do again. Not much went out way today apart from Brisbane’s kicking.

Yes I read this very sad. Time for the Saints and AFL to reach out and Help repair this.

At the risk of upsetting the_dud

20-10 frees to the Cats. Are we that bad In our technique in playing AFL? That’s double. I’m sure it’ll even up but it kills you when it matters. We keep giving away frees when it matters.

Sure you could pay a 100 frees a match. The rules are so subjective that the same incident could probably be paid either way 80% of the time. As a few have mentioned it’s not the ones paid, it’s the ones that could have been paid to the saints that is the issue. Come on that difference is so one sid...

So we’ve had Steven leaving for Geelong, now Long is possible trade. Now is all the reporting trying to unsettle the Saints or just to get us stirred up? It’s working... The club coming out saying it’s not happening for both. Surely the AFL has to hold some sort of standards it’s not a social media ...

Haha! Well that’s another way to say it. He has shown what is possible so it has got to be above the shoulders. I did forget a huge one Ben Long what is going on there? This has to be a dodgy report! Maybe this is how we get Shiel? I’d even feel we might have lost a bit on that deal. I do like Ben ...

FFS...they better be offering us Shiel as a straight swap, otherwise onya bike! Sure and I’d feel we may have lost out on the deal a little. Maybe a swap of 2019 5th round picks also? Haha! Getting closer but this has to be Essendon planting the seed. Picking over our bones. Well we ain’t dead yet ...

degruch wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 2:42pm FFS...they better be offering us Shiel as a straight swap, otherwise onya bike!

Sure and I’d feel we may have lost out on the deal a little.

Haha! Well that’s another way to say it. He has shown what is possible so it has got to be above the shoulders. I did forget a huge one Ben Long what is going on there? This has to be a dodgy report! Maybe this is how we get Shiel? I’d even feel we might have lost a bit on that deal. I do like Ben ...

Haha! Well that’s another way to say it. He has shown what is possible so it has got to be above the shoulders.

bigred wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 1:54pm If Billings gets his confidence back.

f*** me....

Fair enough Bigred what do you think he needs?

It’s an interesting call. He was a star. Would require some investigation on where he is at and his body. He may not want to play. So if the due diligence is done (not just a chat and coffee) and he wants to play and we think he is going to fit then sure. As said not going to cost much but we would ...

The Bombers are that dodgy club. They seem to always win even when they get caught. We just have to suck it up and when/if we win it’s been done through hard work. Scumbags.... money talks! Not sure they always seem to win, they haven't won a final in over 5000 days. 5000 days without a final win t...

The Bombers are that dodgy club. They seem to always win even when they get caught. We just have to suck it up and when/if we win it’s been done through hard work. Scumbags.... money talks!

Seems to be stirring the pot regarding Jack Steven. Is he repoeting things out of context or is there something in it? Saints are saying “zero chance” of leaving, Barrett suggesting Jack is “not happy”. Is that he is not happy with how we went this year or not happy with the Saints and wants out! If...

I know we love (or hate) our players but I would like to see both improve because both struggle against most other rucks (generally). Both need to work on their strengths. Identifying what each one brings as a strength is the hard bit. Last night is hard to tell (as other posters have said) Carlton ...

It does get my back up, but Carlton are struggling at the moment they need all the help they can get. I almost feel a bit sorry for them ........ NAH!........ Also I've never really thought the media have warmed to us ever, even when we were good. Just the way it is for us. It will, I hope, one day ...

I think with the frees it's really how you are going as a team. Umpires are human they make mistakes and can be influenced (not just by the crowd). So I think it's probably related to : - the rules are interpretive, - team form/perception and - a bit of luck. Let's face it a lot of contests could go...

So SP you think we need to keep faith and it will turn around? I suppose Sydney did it and Hawthorn are currently doing it. Tigers won a GF doing it. I dunno I just don’t thiink I can believe that yet. Anyway all I see is it’s not working, maybe it’s just a tweak. I hope that the coaching and player...

Maybe stats can help explain things. The last 3 weeks it seems we are playing with 2 less players on the field. Especially going forward. I don’t know what that tells us maybe bad disposal. There is something “off” at the moment. I think it might be time to give up on finals as a goal and maybe look...