I think that sometimes the effectiveness of the 3rd tall up forward is dependant on quality & quantity of the ball coming in,
if the defence is under pressure cant double team & zone off etc then an extra marking target works well.

Steven Lawence but not a true father son slection,some fancy footwork by Lions

This time last year probably no one predicted that collingwood would have chosen that young
Brodie fella over Jolly.

there's lots of fringe players,and the second 14 or so players have been the critisism for years.
there's opportunity for young players and hopefully they will get the chance ahead of the older ones
when its almost a toss of the coin decision particually when we are openly "rebuilding".

i guess i'm old and set in my ways,I still don't like advertising on the back.
As usual its about generating more money

I was at the game that day on the fence next to the stk race it was well and truly behind play.We lost the game.
mumblings around at the time about greening & O'Dea's wife but nothing public, probably crap.

Jolly was offered to stay at Collingwood but told as backup to grundy,they see that as the future he wanted to be no.1 so decided to leave. Hudson joined as a ruck coach then they decided to put him on the list. I believe Gardner & King were good for us a couple of years ago but they were taking...

Yeah 12 months in football is a long time.Mitch Brown for for pick 24 & 25,how much is he worth this year? We were interested in Everitt also last year,both not mentioned this year. I've been surprised at the low prices some players have been sold for(Mumford-35) We haven,t much joy during trade...

Personally I'd pick a victorian over an interstater.Do you think these guys(Cripps,Ledger) do want to go home,or just want out
and combine the two

I dont get to see as much footy lately(no more foxtel+ work) so I cant see/judge our next captain.
Leigh Matthews said Goddard wasn't captain material,so who is?
From memory Robert Harvey had his worst 2 seasons with injury as captain of a not too good team
(and probably not elite medical support).

I think the timing of Lyons departure made it harder also,several new coaches that year meant we didn't get a go at the frontrunners we didn't know we needed a new coach until he left.Watters is probably doing the best he can with whats available,I doubt he'll still be there when we make another gra...

I'm not sold on Staneley but there's been a few inconsistant forwards being good key position backs.Merritt,Croad,Tarrant

I read somewhere recently that about 4-5 clubs have a specialist indiginous development coach/person,maybe we need to look in that direction going forward.
Any young kid relocating to a strange environment might struggle,also when no footy activities there's alot of spare time.

Am I way out of touch? I thought from memory Gwilt was doing a great job down back before he did his knee,sure zac was there but he was inconsistant. With a few games this year and a pre-season he will be good again. I read some people talking about playing wilkes,many inconsistant forwards can beco...

I too thought of MacIntosh for 36,not bad, Gardner & King worked well for us,in the past, but the fact is here we are again needing ruck stocks
I think we need to recruit another long term prospect and play them,and develop them,ahead of playing older types.The older types become back up.

that is how it was,sonds like its play on after 30 seconds full stop.
Matthew Lloyd took longer.

It still poses the question,do you recruit the best to fill a hole ,play him to fit a spot forever,or recruit the best talent ,
not play him ,he cracks the its and leaves.
It might mean paying overs initially but cheap long term.

You'd reckon Sam would get a fair pay rise, he may be interested.
Who now wishes we traded Kosi when collingwood wanted him and were willing to pay?

win a few more games that are winnable, those close loses, when it's all said and done we get the ball inside 50 but dont kick goals,
old blokes older, need to recruit a couple, other teams improve, similar to this year lf we fall into 8 won't go far.
Hurts to say it though.

It is true. Really it's the same for us supporters:-
players we end up with ,we hope will be an improvement,
players we lose weren't good enough,or were lured by a pot of gold,
and any delistings- thanks for the effort ,
love em or hate em while they're wearing a saints jumper we'll support them.

Yeah,it's easy to say "we might get 3 good years out of him," but all the young kids will not get game time and get delisted or leave and be labelled useless,the other old blokes will retire and there's a great big hole.Sure some secondhand players have worked well but the saints aren't on...

I reckon Farren Ray has been good while at the saints.Is there no longer a spot for him?

I reckon we need the next 'power ' forward... now,give him game time now let Nick R rotate with him FF-CHF like he used to do with Fraser G. share the load and get a plan in place. Whoever doesn't want one immediately will in the next coming years (brown lions, Pav freo etc) Get one now to get the f...

who's on the veterens pay these days? Lenny I guess +1

People always want to go to Collingwood,whether its the razzle dazzle or big exposure or money or what. Buckley before he was drafted,Judd Stevens(ex Port) etc even Krackeor? ,Tarrant, Fact of life,I reckon the big clubs hide payments somewhere though. I think Tippet wants back to Qld,there is medic...