we beat freo in melbourne exactly - perspective people - enjoy the win - but we barely won against a team putting in the worst performance i've seen all year - and that with our players (most anyway) busting a gut. It's a win so no point anyone moaning, but we need to lift a lot if we're to match t...

On TV (not replayed) it appeared as if Ball, falling to the ground in the tackle, either threw it, or else it bounced freakishly, from the impact of Ball's arms hitting the turf, right into Grams path.

Footy Show with Sam = stupid and narcissistic but funny
Footy Show without Sam = stupid and narcissistic

AP Erebus wrote:Kinda helps that Hiddink has a whole country of players to pick from... Not 44...

Apples and Oranges.

yep - and he's playing against teams that have a whole country of players to pick from -far better players!

bob__71 wrote:Soccer isnt a tough game where you need to encourage players to put their head over the ball and risk being flattened.

mate it's not footy, true - but you obviously haven't seen roy keane playing, or vinnie jones -two blokes that deliberately broke legs!

and not really relevant to the post.

Look at this Flash based magnetic coaching board at dockerland - can our site host one?

http://www.dockerland.com/ubemark/R13StKilda.swf

sounds like our new federal government - last 'coach' was unpopular in the media and spoke his mind. New fellow speaks in cliches and jargon to sound like he knows what's going on even while everything is falling down around him.

prior to the team lists being released Freo were paying 2.60. now they are paying $1.50. (as reported on the footy show) Worked as a bookmakers clerk when younger - learned a lot - and you're all right to an extent. What has happened is that the bookie set original odds for this game (may have been...

I've posted this on a similar forum topic Good article on '"modern footy-speak; an insidious, jargon-stuffed language concocted by coaches to explain - or rather obscure - the game in ever more complicated terms." http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23527064-23211,00.html Here's anoth...

Good article on 'footy-speak' here, railing against coaches such as lyons and knights: "modern footy-speak; an insidious, jargon-stuffed language concocted by coaches to explain - or rather obscure - the game in ever more complicated terms. http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23527064-2321...

Anyone watching Euro2008? Gus Hiddinck's done it again - never failed yet to take a national team to the knockout stages of any major tournament - impressive when you realise the last three teams he's coached - sth korea, australia, and russia. They discussed him on SBS regarding how he does it - ta...

What odds Lyon gets cold feet and plays him tonight?
Don't agree with the decision but it would make it worse to backtrack.
We'll see.

Making an example of an under performing player is a good idea... however it seems Lyon has chosen for effect rather than on merit (or lack of). In other words Dal's a scapegoat. What will this do to Dal's confidence? His teammates? Our chances of winning the game? Big call - lets see what happens a...

um...you know...UM...snzzzzzz

Have to agree - i was thinking of plotting a few only but was worried my choice could easily be swayed by what i wanted the graph to show.

Or more likely that i'd be accused of plotting a graph supporting one side of the argument.

Have linked to a graph showing afl clubs ladder positions 2000-08 to now Check it to see if there is indeed a particular pattern clubs follow or is the whole 'premiership window' a lot of guff. The graph displays 1st position at bottom (1) and last at top (16) You decide (sorry but image insert didn...

""the Swans can't possibly win the AFL Premiership with Paul Roos' style of coaching""
Robert Walls 2005

(was this lyon?)

Do you think that it is all OK when young kids 20/21 are having their character questioned, and abused by a pack of anonomous baying wolves. In a public forum. Indeed desert saint would you like to be young Raph reading some of the s*** on here about him. It's a fair point Bob_71. No i don't think ...

The real problem is that its a forum.... So where's the problem - it IS a forum. I would never bag my saints to other supporters outside my friendship circle - but here i can not only read others opinions on players, coaches, tactics, etc i can also occasionally vent my spleen. A strong family some...

On the note of Coaches... as we know, Alves, Sheldon and GT all took us closer... all were sacked. So because we sacked coaches that made us more successful we should not sack a coach who has taken us rapidly backwards? Now that is the st kilda way! Give Lyon this year - if the team hasn't improved...

"Saints'sins'n'all"?

We'll get a top ten draft pick two years running?

Or we can wait it out until the roos and bulldogs have relocated - yes they would be more successful financially and possibly on the field - but without a true soul! If they don't relocate then they are in all likelihood gone The remaining Vic based clubs - including us - would also be stronger and ...

Option 2? Are you suggesting that if we play kids we will lose enough to fall to 12th? In other words we deliberately select to lose? I thought we wanted to ingrain a winning culture? So we play down a few years - what then - get some decent picks who suddenly find they are the core group as the lik...

Blame GT but the problem is deeper than that as it has gone on for 20 years even in the last 2 where Gt had no part in it. Open both eyes and look at the bigger picture. Agree...and so what is the solution? The board is new so it has an opportunity to change the culture and look at how successful c...